<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><rss xmlns:atom='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' version='2.0'><channel><atom:id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376</atom:id><lastBuildDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:59:16 +0000</lastBuildDate><title>Yvor Winters: The American Literary Rhadamanthus</title><description>Covering literary news and writings that bear on the literary criticism, philosophy, and poetry of the great but undeservedly obscure American poet and literary critic Yvor Winters. Also covering, at times, news and ideas that bear on the writings of Winters's wife Janet Lewis Winters.</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/</link><managingEditor>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</managingEditor><generator>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>139</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-5957013903359945034</guid><pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-17T12:58:16.722-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Robert Pinsky</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Ben Jonson</category><title>Shhhh! Say As Little As You Can About Winters</title><description>At "Slate," Robert Pinsky keeps publicizing the Winters Canon, this time by offering a brief look at and an audio reading of Ben Jonson's poem "Ode to Himself":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2237012/"&gt;http://www.slate.com/id/2237012/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a wonderful thing to see, of course. In the current convention, naturally, Pinsky has to take Jonson's poem down many notches before he can praise it. Deflating revisionism is all the rage in our times. If you can't haul some work or person down a good long way, what critical good are you? In this case, Pinsky makes "Ode to Himself" sound like a simple, childish compaint, a kvetch, as he says, that rises, seemingly accidently, to profundity. He makes it sound as though Jonson might have described how he wrote the poem something like this: "I was just bellyaching like mad on paper the other day, as I usually do, and all of a sudden I noticed that I had all written a lot of pretty good stuff, you know that high and mighty writing that makes it sound like you're a deep thinker. So I put it in my book. Why not?" It's an interesting take on the poem, worth considering, at the least.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whatever his critical position and opinions, Pinsky is the only nationally known writer or poet with connections to Yvor Winters (Pinsky was his student at Stanford University in the 1960s) who is doing anything to revive interest in Winters's work. Though what the nationally known give, the nationally known can easily take away just as quickly. For Pinsky keeps failing to mention Winters, as in this case, or downplaying Winters's ideas when he discusses the classical poems that Winters pretty much rediscovered for our era. It doesn't make me particularly angry, just sad that Pinksy doesn't make it clear, concerning Jonson's "Ode," that it was Yvor Winters who first championed this poem as one of the greatest in the language.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this is not unlike Pinsky's reticence about Winters on other occasions, such as in his discussion of Herbert's "Church Monuments" on the same site some months back. In that piece Pinsky did mention Winters, at the least, but I found the mention a little odd. Pinsky left out that he was Winters's student and that Winters taught that poem for decades and, further, that Winters considered it one of the greatest ever written. This downplays Winters's ideas to the point, perhaps, of silencing him. I wonder why. It might be that it's entirely innocent. It could very well be that Pinsky is embarrassed by his association with Winters. I can't say. But it looks suspicious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, Pinsky's audio readings of the "Ode" and Herbert's poem are disappointingly weak. See what you think. Is "Slate" or Pinsky at fault for this very bland reading? I can't say. But they won't do much to help great poetry gain more attention.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-5957013903359945034?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/12/shhhh-say-as-little-as-you-can-about.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-5198035619809440321</guid><pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-09T14:29:46.478-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Tim Steele</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>New Formalism</category><title>A Steele Poem</title><description>Though not forced to wear the shameful label of "Wintersian" -- like a scarlet &lt;span style="color:#ff0000;"&gt;W&lt;/span&gt; -- Timothy Steele has certainly drawn the attention of many Wintersians, such as the late Donald Stanford, who published a number of reviews and poems by Steele during Stanford's long years as co-editor of the &lt;em&gt;Southern Review&lt;/em&gt;. (Steele's three books on prosody, by the way, are very learned and enlightening.) Steele has more frequently been thought as one of the "New Formalists," which, he has written, is a label that suits him well enough. I like his poetry and think well of it. But I can't say that any single poem has inspired me in some significant way, standing as some sort of monument worth reflecting upon often. The following poem, though, is one that keeps coming to mind for some pondering. I think it pays on close reading, on the act of critical contemplation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Library&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Emerging through the automatic doors,&lt;br /&gt;I feel the Santa Anas' gusting heat.&lt;br /&gt;It's five o'clock. The grainy sunlight pours&lt;br /&gt;Through eucaplyti whose peeled bark strips beat&lt;br /&gt;The trunks to which they cling like feeble sleeves.&lt;br /&gt;The campus lawns are eddyings of leaves&lt;br /&gt;Viewed by day's milky, unassertive moon.&lt;br /&gt;The sculpture garden has a recessed seat.&lt;br /&gt;I take it, thinking of the afternoon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And of the library. Cultural oasis?&lt;br /&gt;Few would object to its conserving aims.&lt;br /&gt;Still, tracking books by way of data bases,&lt;br /&gt;I feel I'm playing Faustian video games.&lt;br /&gt;And jotting notes down from computer screens,&lt;br /&gt;I doubt our armories of ways and means:&lt;br /&gt;Whether in books or trusted to a disc,&lt;br /&gt;The written record may, as Plato claims,&lt;br /&gt;Subvert and put our memory at risk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet books consoled me when I was a child,&lt;br /&gt;And seeing words and software joined and synced,&lt;br /&gt;Even philosophers might be beguiled.&lt;br /&gt;And if a relish verses nimbly linked,&lt;br /&gt;Here flowing, there concluded with a twist,&lt;br /&gt;It was Greek librarian-archivist&lt;br /&gt;Who had an odd pedantic inspiration --&lt;br /&gt;Make prose and poems textually distinct --&lt;br /&gt;And first gave lyric measures lineation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Banners on the Art Gallery's facade&lt;br /&gt;Ripple and flap; in a collegial wrath,&lt;br /&gt;Two birds dispute the rights to a carob pod;&lt;br /&gt;A puffed-up brown bag somersaults a path&lt;br /&gt;Where Rodin's Walker [ital] makes his headless stride.&lt;br /&gt;Leaves spin up into coilings and subside.&lt;br /&gt;This windy much-ado, arising from&lt;br /&gt;The desert could well serve as epitaph&lt;br /&gt;For Alexandria, Rome, Pergamum --&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For all the ancient libaries whose collections&lt;br /&gt;Have vanished in a mammoth wordless void.&lt;br /&gt;And though I have the evening clouds' confections,&lt;br /&gt;Thoughts of the art and science thus destroyed&lt;br /&gt;Leave me a little empty and unnerved.&lt;br /&gt;The consolation? Some things were preserved,&lt;br /&gt;Technology now limits what is lost,&lt;br /&gt;And learning, as it's presently deployed,&lt;br /&gt;Is safe from any partial holocaust.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could construct a weighty paradigm,&lt;br /&gt;The Library as Mind. It's somehow truer&lt;br /&gt;To recollect details of closing time.&lt;br /&gt;Someone, as slotted folders on a viewer,&lt;br /&gt;Tucks microfiche squares in their resting places;&lt;br /&gt;Felt cloth's drawn over over the exhibit cases;&lt;br /&gt;The jumbled New Book Shelves are set in shape;&lt;br /&gt;The day's last check-outs are thumped quickly through a&lt;br /&gt;Device that neutralizes tettle-tape.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And shelvers, wheeling booktrucks through the stacks,&lt;br /&gt;Switch lights off at the ends of empty aisles;&lt;br /&gt;Jaded computer terminals relax;&lt;br /&gt;Above lit spaces of linoleum tiles,&lt;br /&gt;The hitching-forward minute hands of clocks&lt;br /&gt;Hold vigil still, but a custodian locks&lt;br /&gt;The main door, and the last staff members go&lt;br /&gt;Home to their private lives and private trials.&lt;br /&gt;Still over us, the Santa Anas blow&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The leaves about in rustling shifting mounds;&lt;br /&gt;The long, rusty-colored needles pine trees shed&lt;br /&gt;In broom-straw trios strew the walks and grounds;&lt;br /&gt;Winding, as though along a corkscrew's thread,&lt;br /&gt;A squirrel has circled down a sycamore.&lt;br /&gt;The frail must, in fair times, collect and store,&lt;br /&gt;And so, amid swirled papery debris,&lt;br /&gt;The squirrel creeps, nosing round, compelled to hoard&lt;br /&gt;By instinct, habit, and necessity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The varying stanza form is one that could, and should, provide a model for our times. It is similar to the 10-line stanza Paul Valery used for a few good and great poems ("Palme" and "Ebauche d'un Serpent," for example); the rhyme scheme that varies yet remains similar stanza to stanza could give modern formalists who don't want to get too rigid quite a bit more freedom than the traditional poetic forms of English allow. (Loose rhyme schemes and metrical patterns appear to be a major need for modern formalist poets and could help turn a few poets from prosetry to poetry. For the bane of rigidity has been almost completely scorned in our times [though I am ever puzzled why even the word appears to elicit shrieks of horror], even among the New Formalists. I should write more about this, but I only have time to say that if it takes loose forms to get more a few more poets to write in some sort of credible poetic form, then bring on the loose forms. A little bit of form is better than none at all.) Steele's nine-line stanza is expressive and well worth imitating for anyone aspiring to write real poetry, not the almost mindless, slapdash prosetry that fills our journals and magazines. His iambic line is well turned, though some of the variations are too loose. His diction is casual, in the way of the New Formalists, who hold court in their small fief nowadays while imitating the prosetic musers who run the cultural kingdom at present.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to theme and content, there is a lot in this poem, about the meaning of the intellectual life, about civilization, about the importance of poetry and reading, about books holding off the winds of destruction, while books themselves succumb to those same winds. (I was just reading in a history of the Jews in ancient times of a lost history written about Nero's and Vespasian's war against the Jews in AD 68-70 that was written in answer to Josephus's famed work on that same topic. It is crushingly sad that that work did not survive.) It makes me want to get over to the library and gather some nuts for the winter -- though I really don't need much encouragement to do that, summer or winter. The symbolism is strong and moving, almost Post-Symbolist, in Winters's definition, though it is really not much more than a plain analogy -- and there's not a thing wrong with that, I hasten to add. Some of the diction here is pure ornament, but most of this cake's icing is understated and well turned. Are these witty moments weaknesses, like the empty flashiness of a vibrantly decorative stylist like, say, John Updike? I would say that they are slight weaknesses in a good poem. But I dislike quibbling about something so good as this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's interesting that the poem is so thematically diffident. Right in the midst of the poem, Steele writes that he thought about writing of the analogy of the library as a place where, perhaps, "Mind" is fulfilled and preserved. But then he immediately sets any such grand theme aside for some further musings about leaves blowing about and squirrels gathering nuts. He seems as milky and unassertive as the moon of the first stanza. The turn away from the big theme seems emblematic of our age, when our poets feel, or seem to feel, a little shy of big ideas. Winters certainly had no such diffidence. The poems he thought greatest are all about big ideas, perhaps too big in some ways. (I think of those dense poems on subjects like "being" that Winters wrote, wrote about, and thought highly of.) Perhaps Steele, like many another writer, felt that he is simply not up to the task of speaking of something so profound as the "Mind" and consequently felt compelled to set his sights much lower, even though his premise led him to the brink of saying something big with his suggestive analogy. But these are for now mere reflections, things I will ponder in the years to come as I think of this poem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yvor Winters, if I were asked to make a guess, would not think all that highly of the poem's style. He would almost certainly consider large chunks of it "journalistic," which was a particularly damning adjective for him. This word seems to have meant to him "pedestrian," and much of Steele's writing in this poem is a touch -- in the dogged convention of our era -- pedestrian, perhaps arising in part from the diffidence I just mentioned, but perhaps arising too from the need to get published, since this sort of chatty writing reigns in our literary culture. As to Steele's ideas, Winters would probably have found them poorly developed and the poem as a whole structured rather sloppily. I would agree with that assessment to some degree. The poem is not great, perhaps 2 stars or so in my system. But it is worth taking time to contemplate. It is a bit of a musing ("take some interesting subject; look at it in several ways and from a bunch of angles; see what pops into your mind by association or otherwise; finish by tossing your best notions into a pile, which then becomes the poem"), but at least it muses upon important matters with moments of fine style, a few sharp insights, and a fairly strong poetic line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any thoughts from my readers are always appreciated.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-5198035619809440321?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/12/steele-poem.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-6979642160585786331</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-02T11:54:23.508-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wallace Stevens</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>philosophical poetry</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Modernism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Winters Canon</category><title>Logan on Wallace Stevens</title><description>I offer a brief note to say that I did read William Logan's overview of Wallace Stevens's poetry in the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;New Criterion&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in October of this year, which I am sure you would expect me to have read, since I read Logan regularly and since Stevens is a poet whose work has a prominent place in the Winters Canon. The chatty, witty, balloon-busting essay is worth reading, though not because it has any affinities with Yvor Winters's classical take on Stevens's work. I like Logan's iconoclasm, which irritates plenty of fans of particular poets and wins him few friends (how he stirred the nest of Hart Crane fandom a couple years back with a few sharp pokes).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As we all realize, Stevens has become one of those much beloved central figures in American literature, one of the untouchables, the object of a protective fan-base, almost a celebrity of sorts. As you also may know as well, though Winters considered Stevens to have written some of the greatest poetry in the English language and several of the greatest poems of the modern era, Winters also touched the now untouchable Stevens quite forcefully. I would say that he punched him -- and pretty hard. For Stevens's poetry degenerated badly in the last two-thirds of his career as a poet, in Winters's judgment, and my own. (I have no idea exactly when Stevens wrote his poems. I presume he tinkered with them for years before publishing them. I refer to their order and time of publication.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the end of his essay, Logan includes a list of the poems he considers very good or great in Stevens's body of work, and some of these poems aren't too bad. But Logan passes over almost all the poems Winters considered great. Only "The Snow Man" makes the list of both critics. Logan even makes the colossal mistake of thinking "Sunday Morning" tedious (without explaining why he thinks so). Winters considered this, perhaps, the single greatest poem written in English in the 20th century, and I come close to agreeing (Winters's own "To the Holy Spirit" gets my vote, provisionally). Logan doesn't quite say so, but it seems that he finds "Sunday Morning" to be soaked in amateurish philosophy, a view with which, if accurate, I cannot disagree more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, overall, Logan's is a provocative read and worthwhile for being that. And that's what William Logan is often after, a little provocation (though I do think that he truly holds the opinions he uses as sticks to poke nests). Regrettably, however, he doesn't sum up Stevens well. We hardly get any sense of why to read his poetry other than that it sparkles from time to time with some elegant lines, vivid diction, and passages that have little or no meaning or importance or substance. There is much more in Stevens than that, even in the weak later poetry. Logan seems to get nothing out of Stevens that I can tell from this piece. I see in his work a desperation that arose from a loss of meaning in life, the result of a flustered effort to find some purpose for modern humankind, which has lost all confidence in past truths. This overarching theme, for me, makes Stevens one of the truly representative modernist writers, even though his work declined so much in the later years as he treated his theme in ever more bizarre ways. I recommend for a summary of Stevens, if only it weren't so obscure and hard to find, the discussion of his work in Donald Stanford's &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Revolution and Convention in Modern Poetry&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, in addition, of course, to Winters's essay on Stevens in &lt;em&gt;In Defense of Reason&lt;/em&gt; and his later reconsideration in &lt;em&gt;Forms of Discovery&lt;/em&gt;. By the way, though Logan discusses a passage of it at length, I find R.P. Blackmur's study of Stevens nearly worthless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a side note, I wanted to say that I was very appreciative of a reader who sent the recommendation of the poetry of Australian Stephen Edgar, whose work I have been reading lately (and you too can find a few of his poems on the web). This is what I was hoping for a lot more of on this blog. I repeat my call for comment: please send me your recommendations for new classicists we can all consider. I will post a note on Edgar some time in the near future.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-6979642160585786331?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/12/i-offer-brief-note-to-say-that-i-did.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-7658364247321100283</guid><pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-03T07:43:38.500-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>John Fraser</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent Writings on Winters</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Winters Canon</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>New Book of Verse</category><title>A Consideration of the Theory Behind the New Book of Verse, Part II</title><description>THE CRITICAL PREFACE&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I turn now to the longer and later essay, in which John Fraser wrote that his anthology &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;The New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (once again, NBV hereafter) sprang from his desire to find poems that simply “had to be” in an anthology of “good and great poems.” I quote those phrases from the “Unknown Flights” introduction (considered in "Part I"), though Fraser does mention this purpose in the “Critical Preface.” When I first read it a year ago, I deeply hoped that the preface would give us an account of the critical theory at the foundation of the NBV. Alas, it offers only slightly more help in understanding the nature of the NBV than the introduction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To summarize, the preface offers no clear, sharp, or detailed account of why Fraser selected the poems found in the NBV and not others. Even though the title of this essay implies that Fraser will discuss a literary theory in the preface, he is almost as vague and elusive in the preface as he was in the “Unknown Flights” introduction that he wrote four years earlier. In the preface Fraser offers no theory of literature, no system of evaluation, no take on the art of poetry, and no assessment, provisional or otherwise, of Winters’s literary theory or any of the concepts that form that theory. As in the introduction, Fraser seems to be saying that the NBV simply offers poems that he admires, which is what so many critics of Winters (even those few who generally or loosely approve of him) have thought Winters was doing -- mistakenly, I believe -- with his lists of great poems and his anthology of great or important poems, Quest for Reality (hereafter QR).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As in “Unknown Flights,” John Fraser’s “Critical Preface” offers no clear or sound account of his critical principles, despite his laying out several short and direct paragraphs about those principles. Let me turn first to some of the implied criteria, those varied comments that Fraser drops intro his discussion and that appear to describe, roughly, provisionally, his critical principles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Early in the essay, Fraser mentions that one poem is “a fully realized poem,” which implies that full realization is a central criterion for the anthology. But such a phrase is almost entirely obscure. A critic could conceivably construe just about anything written to have met such a criterion. Later, when discussing how themes are treated, Fraser mentions “selves… engaged in realizing the being of other selves.” Again, the context of this comment implies that this activity is another important distinguishing feature of the poems of the NBV. The phrase has the appearance of profundity, but when you examine it closely, you realize how vague it is. Just about any poem ever written could be taken as meeting such a criterion, even the most privately confessional poems of the 20th century. My guess is that what Fraser means by these and similar phrases is that exceptionally good poems are not too personal, however much “personalness” might be judged too much or “publicness” too little. Returning later, it seems, to this idea of a poem’s being too personal, Fraser implies that a very good or great poem should be “free-standing.” But, again, he fails to make it clear what that phrase means exactly. How freely and in what ways does a poem have to stand free to be considered good or exceptionally good? Moreover, as it stands without further elucidation, a critic could construe just about any poem to have met this principle, which makes the principle only a whisker above meaningless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This matter of “personalness” comes up again in passing when Fraser offers a very brief yet seemingly important discussion of certain poems by Philip Larkin. In this passage, Fraser returns yet again to this matter of poetry’s needing impersonality, in some way, to be judged good or great. Fraser mentions “personal” and “depressive” as being weaknesses of a certain Larkin poem, which implies in context that very good poems avoid being personal and depressive. But such adjectives are simply too vague to be of any help. Fraser adds that another of Larkin’s poems is “heavy-footed,” which implies that “heavy-footed-ness,” whatever that is, is a sign of weakness. Yet again, however, Fraser fails to explain this word. A critic could say any poem avoids these three adjectives that have apparently kept two good poems by Philip Larkin poems out of the anthology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Among other minor criteria mentioned or implied, Fraser mentions that good poems offer “finer states of selfhood,” which, as noble a phrase as it is, could mean anything at all -- and is thus almost wholly meaningless. Fraser also implies that a poem is very good or great when its themes or purposes are “sustained” throughout the poem. That is more than vague; it’s meaningless, since the phrase could mean anything at all and since any critic could make a case that any poem meets the standard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Late in the “Critical Preface,” Fraser does offer an explicit list of principles, to which I now turn. In this section, Fraser mentions that exceptionally good and great poems must use coherent metaphors and solid similes -- and not use them excessively. What makes a metaphor coherent and a simile solid? Again, we can have no idea because the criteria are unacceptably vague and left unexplained, though Yvor Winters discussed proper metaphors extensively in his writings. Fraser then mentions “generalizations that are obviously untrue or simplistic.” That seems sensible enough, but on its face, it means almost nothing in theory and could mean just about anything in practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, among various other implied or hidden evaluative criteria in his list, that most important Fraser mentions are these:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1. “psychological substance”&lt;br /&gt;2. “craft”&lt;br /&gt;3. “not formalistic”&lt;br /&gt;4. “a degree of ‘concreteness’”&lt;br /&gt;5. “relative tautness”&lt;br /&gt;6. “something ‘happens’ rhetorically” &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not an exhaustive list, but these seem to me the main criteria. I see nothing in any of these words and phrases that helps us understand the principles behind the NBV or in any way develop, add to, or enhance the critical thought of Yvor Winters. Nor do they even mean much. Each phrase or word is frustratingly nebulous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though he doesn’t mention vividness in his list of attributes, Fraser, both in the preface and in other writings in Voices in the Cave of Being, appears to be mostly concerned with what I call “thereness,” by which I mean descriptions of certain objects or settings or events as being so vivid that they “live on the page” (yet another phrase left unexplained). At one point, in discussing some passage of description that he considers thrilling, Fraser writes that the scene is “there,” and puts the word in italics, as though this sense of vivid, living “thereness” is a central feature of the best poetry. But he fails to explain exactly what this quality is. He sounds no less fuzzy about “thereness” than Ezra Pound once sounded about “freshness” in his famous book &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;The ABC of Reading&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A classic is classic not because it conforms to certain structural rules, or fits certain definitions (of which its author had quite probably never heard). It is classic because of a certain eternal and irrepressible freshness. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, I suppose so. But what’s fresh and what isn’t? How does anyone know? Anything could be construed as fresh by someone who happens to find it fresh -- &lt;em&gt;anything!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For all these reasons, I find John Fraser’s implied theory of literature and literary evaluation to be seriously wanting. But even more disappointing than the vagueness of his critical discussion is what Fraser has neglected in his “Critical Preface,” especially since it purports to be a quasi-Wintersian anthology. Fraser does not define what poetry is, nor try to explain, develop, or strengthen Yvor Winters’s definition of poetry (admittedly vague in itself) as “a statement in words about a human experience.” Fraser does not discuss any of the central concepts of Winters’s theory, despite his various comments about Winters being the greatest critic in English (see "Part I" of my essay). Fraser offers no discussion of Winters’s ideas about connotation and denotation. He does not discuss didactic or hedonistic poetry, which Winters rejected as unsound. (Judging from his emphasis on “thereness,” by the way, Fraser seems to be something of a aesthetic hedonist, though that is a matter I will have to take up later). He offers nothing on Romantic aesthetics or philosophy that builds on Winters’s ideas about Romanticism or relates the NBV to Winters’s critical thought. Most strangely, he offers not a word on the morality of poetry, which was a central concept in Winters’s criticism and in his work of evaluation and the development of the QR anthology. Despite the importance of the concept of morality to Winters’s theory, Fraser seems to have no interest in the subject, as my brief run-through of his critical principles indicates. Rather, he seems to have been mostly interested, rather simply, in “realization,” in “thereness,” in vividness, which, in my judgment, all mean little more than “well written.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, concerning the neglect of Winters, though Fraser writes several times that the NBV focuses on formal poetry, poetry written in what are nowadays commonly called “traditional poetic forms,” he has nothing to say about the meaning or importance or value of form at all. We are left wondering why he focuses on form other than that he likes poems written in traditional forms (a phrase, to repeat, I distinctly dislike). Further, Fraser has nothing to say about Yvor Winters’s theories of form, neither to approve or disapprove or to develop those ideas. And it is most puzzling that he has not a word to say about Winters’s theory of meter, the part of Winters’s work as a critic that is most often begrudgingly praised by those who know of that work, though Winters’s theories about the meaning and value of meter are more often ignored, dismissed, or reviled. (I must add that I have my doubts about this aspect of Winters’s theory, too.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you see, John Fraser accomplishes nothing more on theory in his “Critical Preface” than he does in his “Unknown Flights” introduction, and it is a huge disappointment to me. Fraser has done something important through the NBV, given us some new poems to read, profit from, and consider. He has given his own stamp of approval as great or exceptionally good to many of the poems of the Winters Canon. But he has done almost nothing to advance the study of Yvor Winters or to develop his ideas with the NBV’s prefatory essays. Without a coherent and full-blooded critical theory behind it, including clear and sound tenets of evaluation, the NBV amounts to a book of personal likes and dislikes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what does it come down to, this anthology? I think we can derive a hazy system of evaluation from Fraser’s writings. The poems of the NBV are exceptionally good or great poems (4 to 5 stars under my system, I would guess) that are written in traditional forms (mostly), are impersonal in some unspecified manner and to some unspecified degree, concern general themes to some unspecified degree, contain vivid writing of some unspecified kind, and are well written in some unspecified way. (Being “well-written” is what most of Fraser’s criteria come down to in the end).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A telling test case for the value of this set of critical principles is whether the poems of John Ashbery should or even could be included in this anthology. I do not consider Ashbery a poet -- or even a good writer. Yet it appears obvious that a critic could claim that Ashbery writes great poems (as more and more critics, unbelievably, absurdly, have been claiming lately) that are personal reflections on impersonal general themes; that are vivid in some sense (as many have claimed); and that are very well written (as has also been claimed). The only lack in Fraser’s system in Ashbery’s badly written pseudo-poetry is traditional form, though it bears remembering that Fraser includes a number of free-verse poems in the NBV, such as several by Wallace Stevens, and considers them to be formal in some sense. (Many critics claim that Ashbery’s formless drivel has some kind of formality as well.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the basis of this test case, I conclude that John Fraser has done little to advance the development of modern classicism with this anthology, as valuable as the NBV is for other reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For I do not wish you to mistake my judgment. What John Fraser has done is valuable and important. He has given us new poems to consider, poems he appears to consider as part of the classical tradition. He has given a credible stamp of approval on the status of Yvor Winters. He has given us a variety of essays that offer lots of comparisons and contrasts to get a better feel for his vague ideas about poetry and literary evaluation. But despite all this, he has not given a full or even an outline of a classical theory of literature and literary evaluation -- and certainly no ideas that update or improve on those of Yvor Winters. The work he has done with the NBV is commendable. But much more is needed if classicism is to find many more adherents in the modern age.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John Fraser still has a chance to accomplish much more through the NBV anthology, for he is still working on his book and adding to the anthology. But it appears that he is content with the work he has done. I appreciate what he has accomplished, even deeply so, and have been studying it closely and reading it frequently. I have profited from the NBV and its associated essays a great deal. I have even truly enjoyed most of Fraser’s writings. But I see a great need for the next greats not only to be proposed but to be properly defended for Yvor Winters’s classical literary ideas to be properly developed and strengthened. This John Fraser has yet to do or even try to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the deeper study and refinement of Yvor Winters’s ideas is going to occur any time soon, it must begin with what John Fraser has done, given us new poems that a critic supportive of Winters’s classicism considers great or very good. But someone must go on to show us why and how we know they are great by consistent, clear, and detailed argument.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-7658364247321100283?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/10/consideration-of-theory-behind-new-book.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-1584743265435191532</guid><pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-03T07:43:38.502-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>John Fraser</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent Writings on Winters</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Winters Canon</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>New Book of Verse</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><title>A Consideration of the Literary Theory Behind "The New Book of Verse," Part I</title><description>I have made the assertion several times over the years I have been writing this blog that John Fraser has done some of the most important work advancing the study of Yvor Winters in the past 20 years. Most notably, Fraser has published on line an anthology of very good and possibly great poetry that began from an effort in the 1970s to publish together as many of the poems Yvor Winters apparently judged to be either great or very good in one collection. The anthology would include the poems Winters mentioned as, roughly speaking, good but left out of his controversial 1968 anthology, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (hereafter QR), which, in my judgment, Winters intended, in part, as a collection of the very best poems in the English language.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fraser’s anthology became the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (hereafter NBV). It is on line and is linked in the right-hand column of this blog. In the following years, the NBV and its supporting essays have become part of a larger and distinctly valuable work on traditional-form poetry (how I dislike having to write such phrases), entitled &lt;em&gt;Voices in the Cave of Being&lt;/em&gt;. In those same years, Fraser decided to add poems to the NBV, presumably poems that he judges to be as great or as remarkably good as the poems Yvor Winters had chosen for QR or mentioned in his essays as being extraordinarily good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SrpFBqZOwuI/AAAAAAAAA3Y/KP5xF6rgiRI/s1600-h/YWmsu74.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5384692199337149154" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 242px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 320px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SrpFBqZOwuI/AAAAAAAAA3Y/KP5xF6rgiRI/s320/YWmsu74.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I use the NBV frequently and have wanted to assess its purposes and Fraser’s case for his selections to see whether they can advance the study of Yvor Winters’s classicist theory of literature or even play a major role in the development of Yvor Winters’s ideas beyond the point Winters left them. Sad to say, however, Fraser’s introductory and explanatory writings about the NBV make no detailed, systematic, or strong case that the NBV contains anything other than the poetry Fraser happens to admire. This short essay is my effort to understand and evaluate those writings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two main pieces to consider, the introduction to the NBV entitled “Unknown Flights” and the “Critical Preface.” Before assessing these essays, let me state again and clearly that John Fraser’s extensive work in Voices in the Cave of Being is one of the most significant and valuable developments in the study of Winters and his critical theory since his death. Fraser once called Winters “the most important American man of letters since Henry James,” as Fraser quotes himself in his introduction to the NBV. On top of that, Fraser dares to recount his praise for Winters’s most reviled book, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Forms of Discovery&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (1967), which Fraser once wrote was the work of a “great mind.” Indeed, building out and up from Forms and its companion QR anthology, Fraser writes that he set out with the NBV to make a “fat” anthology of the poems Winters thought excellent, especially good, or vital to the future of literature and modern classicism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These comments lead us to believe that Fraser intended the NBV as a development of Winters’s critical ideas and practices, as an attempt to bring greater maturity, precision, and depth to Winters’s classicism. For these reasons, I believe we need to look closely at the introduction (dated November 2004) and the “Critical Preface” (dated February 2008) to try to comprehend what Fraser’s purposes for the NBV are, as well as what his theories of literature and specifically of the evaluation of poetry are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will consider the introduction “Unknown Flights” first, which was posted on Fraser’s web site some years before the “Critical Preface.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* UNKNOWN FLIGHTS *&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This introduction explains that Fraser was influenced by Yvor Winters through the late Don Stanford, the modern classicist who was editor of the &lt;em&gt;Southern Review, Second Series&lt;/em&gt;, till 1982. (I have mentioned or discussed Stanford numerous times on this blog.) In addition describing how the anthology came into being, Fraser gives us a few hints about its varied purposes. However, I must be candid in saying that the critical principles that inform the NBV are left extremely vague in the introduction. The literary theory behind what Fraser has chosen for the anthology and what he has left out, if he has any such theory, is left a mystery, at least in this piece. I was going to write that the introduction leaves Fraser’s theory “a little fuzzy,” but he is much more vague than that. His critical tenets are almost entirely lost in mists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A central problem for the introduction is that, despite his strongly implied approval for Winters and his critical ideas and practices, Fraser doesn’t state openly or precisely why he wanted to publish this anthology, on line or otherwise. He does quote his own comment that Winters had a “great mind” and was a highly important man of letters, which imply that Winters’s selection of very good and great poems (published not only in the 1968 QR anthology but in the various lists of great poems he made throughout his career) is to some degree consonant with Fraser’s own views. Near the end of the introduction, Fraser even writes that Winters “was the greatest critic of poetry in the language”. Those are words of high praise -- perhaps the highest praise possible (assuming that Fraser meant “is” the greatest and has not changed his mind or found another critic who has superseded Winters).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, from this introduction, we get no sense of why Fraser thinks Winters is the greatest critic in English, nor what his case for his claim is, nor how his claim accords with his anthology or accounts for his additions and subtractions. Further, Fraser writes that the overview of poetry discussed in Winters’s final book, &lt;em&gt;Forms of Discovery&lt;/em&gt;, which most critics disdain (when giving it any attention at all), was an “exhilarating experience.” But Fraser does not explain or elaborate upon why it was exhilarating. We can suppose he is hoping that his readers will find the NBV anthology equally exhilarating, but why should they? Fraser fails to explain or elaborate upon these opinions or even seek to justify them in any sound or significant way in “Unknown Flights.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Still, the introduction does make a number of offhand, sketchy comments that seem intended to explain and substantiate his opinions of Yvor Winters’s critical ideas and practices and to help us make sense of the NBV anthology. Let’s take a look at the main comments. Fraser writes that the poems he has chosen for the NBV are “well-made and clearly individuated.” These two phrases appear to stand as criteria of the finest poetry. But, as you surely see, the phrases are exceedingly vague and provide almost no help in understanding a classical or Wintersian critical theory that might underlie this anthology. Later Fraser writes that his additions from the 20th century are “strong poems.” This seems to be a criterion, too. Obviously, though, the limp adjective “strong” is of no help whatsoever. Just about anything can be -- and just about anything has been -- called a “strong” poem. With a tone of approval, Fraser once mentions that the work of another scholar has helped to keep “the Wintersian tradition of verse alive.” This comment implies that keeping that tradition alive is part of Fraser’s purpose in compiling this anthology. But Fraser doesn’t define the tradition in this piece, which makes the comment of very little help in understanding the theory of critical evaluation that informs the NBV.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet along his way, Fraser keeps dropping in more of these comments, which appear to tell us what makes the poems of NBV particularly admirable. He writes that some of the poems provide “richness of experience” and a bit later “magnificence.” In passing, Fraser also mentions that the poems exhibit “splendor of language,” “intelligence,” and “craftsmanship.” But Fraser explains none of these words and phrases, even though they are so nebulous as to be nearly meaningless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, in section XXIV of the “Unknown Flights” introduction, Fraser brings out a list of attributes of the poems, an inventory which promises to give us some sound insight into his critical principles and might build in some significant way upon the literary theory of Yvor Winters. As he begins his list, Fraser gives us the sense that in it we will find, at the least, an outline of his critical theory. He implies that the listed attributes justify the selection of the poems and stand as the evaluative criteria behind their selection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is in this list? Fraser writes that the poems of the NBV avoid “versified autobiography or philosophy or social commentary.” They are dedicated to poetry as “expressive form.” They are different from the poems found in best-selling anthologies. They are “some of the best poetry,” written in “living language.” Fraser lists a few more attributes in much the same vein, but I consider these to be the main items. They are enough to see that every one of Fraser’s criteria is far too imprecise to help us understand Fraser’s views or see how they might improve on, refine, deepen, or advance Yvor Winters’s classical ideas -- or help us find the best poems or aid us in making discoveries of good or great poems on our own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Near the end of the introduction, Fraser implies that the NBV contains some of the exceptionally good and great poems of the English language, but this comment only leaves us wondering how Fraser makes the distinction between the two, what those other good poems are that have been left out, and, further, which poems in the NBV are good and which great. But no deeper explanation of “good” and “great” -- nor any critical theory at all, for that matter -- is forthcoming in “Unknown Flights.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I first read, it, the introduction to the NBV left me more than a little deflated. But it was not to be the end of the story. I was highly pleased when I saw that just last year John Fraser had published an additional “Critical Preface” to the NBV. I hoped that that newer piece would give us significantly deeper insight into what Fraser is trying to accomplish through the anthology. To that essay I will turn in the second and last part of this essay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me add as well that rather than focusing on what is missing from these two essays, I will consider more fully what John Fraser has achieved with the NBV and its attendant materials at the end of Part II.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-1584743265435191532?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/09/consideration-of-literary-theory-behind.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SrpFBqZOwuI/AAAAAAAAA3Y/KP5xF6rgiRI/s72-c/YWmsu74.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-3879847144270144279</guid><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-17T12:58:43.527-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>George Herbert</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Robert Pinsky</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent Writings on Winters</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Winters Canon</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>New Book of Verse</category><title>An Obscure George Herbert Poem Well-Known to Wintersians</title><description>Robert Pinsky continues to put out some valuable short articles on poetry at Slate. Just a couple weeks back, he offered a very brief overview of the great poem “Church Monuments” by George Herbert, the 17th century Anglican priest who wrote a lot of top-notch classical poetry. Pinsky, as you might recall, was once a student of Yvor Winters’s at Stanford University in the 1960s. Though some have labeled him a Wintersian, of some sort, I have opined on this blog that he can hardly be so construed. Still, Pinsky has written well about poetry written in traditional form down the years, and even recently, and some of the poems he has focused on are works that Yvor Winters thought great or highly important.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SrFFGt2aS1I/AAAAAAAAA3Q/b2RAOsy7zZ8/s1600-h/YWmsu73.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382159011373796178" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 156px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 200px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SrFFGt2aS1I/AAAAAAAAA3Q/b2RAOsy7zZ8/s200/YWmsu73.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I know I’ve been hard on Pinsky at times, especially for his poetry, which has descended into trivialities and downright bad writing in recent years, but I do appreciate Pinsky’s efforts to focus attention on some of the poems and issues that Winters thought crucial to the future of literary culture. Pinsky’s article on Herbert’s poem can be found at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2226655/"&gt;http://www.slate.com/id/2226655/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you wish to dig deeper into this one poem, I also recommend John Fraser’s wide-ranging and sometimes very personal discussion of it in his on-line book &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Voices in the Cave of Being&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (which contains the anthology I have often touted on this blog as a highly significant, if not the single most important, development in the study of Yvor Winters in the past 20 years, the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;). Fraser’s essay on Herbert’s poem can be found at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.jottings.ca/john/voices/church_mon.html"&gt;http://www.jottings.ca/john/voices/church_mon.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why all this emphasis on one 24-line poem? Clearly, Pinsky and Fraser deeply admire Herbert’s stellar achievement in this one poem, which has been overlooked or forgotten almost throughout the entire course of English literary history (most books and web sites offering selections of Herbert’s poetry do not include this poem). Having introduced both Pinsky and Fraser to the poem, as they both mention, Yvor Winters considered “Church Monuments” to be one of the half dozen greatest poems ever written in the language, as he made clear in several of those short lists of the greatest great poems that he put out from time to time in the midst of his essays. It was the only poem of Herbert’s that Winters considered to have achieved greatness. The poem is simple to find on the web, so I won’t reprint it here. In fact, it is reprinted at both sites I have linked to in this post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My judgment on “Church Monuments”? I agree with Winters. It’s surely one of the greatest of the great poems, though it is still infrequently anthologized or discussed or paid attention to in literary culture. Because it is so great and because Yvor Winters “discovered” it are two chief reasons why I believe he is to be largely trusted and looked to as one of the greatest literary critics in the English language. This poem was one of the main reasons I became a Wintersian.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, another modern classicist poet, David Middleton, who once studied with Donald Stanford at LSU, wrote in the 1980s that Winters failed to see the excellence of Herbert’s “Love (III),” which Middleton considered a great poem on a par with or perhaps greater than “Church Monuments.” Of note, John Fraser has mentioned not “Love (III)” but “Affliction” as Herbert’s other great poem. Winters, it is evident, did not judge either of these poems to have achieved anything near the canonical standard that “Church Monuments” and the other greatest great poems of English set. What do you think? For now I will forbear to reveal my own judgments concerning these poems. Here’s Middleton’s choice:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;LOVE (III) &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;by George Herbert&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Love bade me welcome, yet my soul drew back,&lt;br /&gt;.  Guilty of dust and sin.&lt;br /&gt;But quick-eyed Love, observing me grow slack&lt;br /&gt;.  From my first entrance in,&lt;br /&gt;Drew nearer to me, sweetly questioning&lt;br /&gt;.  If I lacked anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"A guest," I answered, "worthy to be here";&lt;br /&gt;.  Love said, "You shall be he."&lt;br /&gt;"I, the unkind, the ungrateful? ah my dear,&lt;br /&gt;.  I cannot look on thee."&lt;br /&gt;Love took my hand and smiling did reply,&lt;br /&gt;.  "Who made the eyes but I?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Truth, Lord, but I have marred them; let my shame&lt;br /&gt;.  Go where it doth deserve."&lt;br /&gt;"And know you not," says Love, "who bore the blame?"&lt;br /&gt;.  "My dear, then I will serve."&lt;br /&gt;"You must sit down," says Love, "and taste my meat."&lt;br /&gt;.  So I did sit and eat.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-3879847144270144279?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/09/obscure-george-herbert-poem-well-known.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SrFFGt2aS1I/AAAAAAAAA3Q/b2RAOsy7zZ8/s72-c/YWmsu73.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-6553667479798199180</guid><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-09-14T12:40:49.061-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Art and Life</category><title>Look to the Poets!</title><description>I was sent a notice over the summer that &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Poetry&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; had published two previously unpublished letters from Yvor Winters to a new student and that student’s father. The letters originally appeared in the July/August 2009 issue of &lt;em&gt;Poetry&lt;/em&gt; and can be found on line at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=237082"&gt;http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=237082&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The letters are certainly fascinating, both for their tone and for their audacious opinions. Surely, the tone will a bit shocking to those who haven’t read much in Winters’s essays or in his letters (the first edition of selected letters came out just nine years ago). He can seem discourteous, inappropriately direct and honest, too sure of his own judgments, even somehow almost brutal in the way he assesses the work of individual young poets. I would hate to read an assessment of my work from him. Thank goodness I will never have to (or at least never have to in this life -- perhaps some unpleasant fate awaits me in another).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; The opinions about the importance of poetry and of university departments of English will undoubtedly be a bit shocking or bewildering as well. Winters explains in these letters, especially the second to the young poet’s father, his extremely elevated estimation of the work of the finest poets. Their work serves as the chief guardian of our civilization, the &lt;em&gt;sine qua non&lt;/em&gt; of the intellectual and spiritual health and vitality of the West, in Winters's judgment. I’m not certain I agree with a view of poetry so exalted, as much as I appreciate reading in and studying the art. Does anyone out there stand with Winters on this, that poetry forms the heart of civilized life? It doesn’t seem that any Wintersian I know of, not even such devoted classicists as the late Donald Stanford or John Fraser, comes close to agreeing with Winters on this towering view of poetry.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-6553667479798199180?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/09/look-to-poets.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-8932008190085431237</guid><pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-23T13:19:13.915-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><title>Searching Reason</title><description>Ah, summer is here. I have found it difficult to find the energy and passion needed to write for this blog. But I want to continue reflecting on many poems I have been thinking about over the past few months. As some may remember, I live in summer in Copper Harbor, Michigan (the state's northernmost town), to run, with my brothers, a passenger ferry across Lake Superior to Isle Royale National Park. Any family business can be time-consuming, of course, and the business takes time away from my work on this blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With that in mind, I offer a poem this week from John Finlay, who was an exceptionally fine poet who died young. Though almost entirely unknown in American literary culture, a number of poets have taken and keep taking note of his achievement, including the late Donald Stanford during his days as editor of the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Southern Review, Second Series&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. Finlay was deeply interested in Yvor Winters and wrote a dissertation on his work and a couple essays on Winters as well. You will have a lot of trouble finding his poetry and essays, though David Middleton edited a small edition of Finlay's collected poems in the 1990s. I own that book, but I do not know whether it is still in print (it can be purchased as a used book at various web sites). There is plenty of excellent poetry in Finlay's body of work to choose from, but here is one that I admire a great deal:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Case of Holmes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;The &lt;em&gt;scientific searcher&lt;/em&gt; scans the blood,&lt;br /&gt;The objects in the room, the tracks of mud,&lt;br /&gt;Thickest around the pathos of the corpse.&lt;br /&gt;He doesn't let instinctual grief that warps&lt;br /&gt;The vision cause him not to find that fact&lt;br /&gt;Which later hangs the murderer. Abstract&lt;br /&gt;And lean, he seems emotionless cold thought,&lt;br /&gt;Almost at times as sexless, always taut.&lt;br /&gt;He has to drug a mind that will not cease&lt;br /&gt;Once a case is solved -- cocaine's release,&lt;br /&gt;Or trance before the chemical blue flame.&lt;br /&gt;And there are states of mind he cannot name,&lt;br /&gt;As skulking in the fog, urban night-wood,&lt;br /&gt;He feels compressed, erotic brotherhood&lt;br /&gt;And for the hardest criminal. But these&lt;br /&gt;Are freakish states and disappear. He sees&lt;br /&gt;Himself as whole in this: revulsion for&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;em&gt;great malignant brain&lt;/em&gt; who wages war&lt;br /&gt;On those who break an ego's brutal dream.&lt;br /&gt;He matches brain to brain in the extreme&lt;br /&gt;Of hot collected nerves and cold reserve.&lt;br /&gt;Fear also makes him whole; he must preserve&lt;br /&gt;One being in the conflict with that brain&lt;br /&gt;Or else, at one mistake, he will be slain.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is dense stuff, poetry crammed with ideas. Written in expertly managed heroic couplets, Finlay's iambic line is nicely controlled. The themes are pertinent to much in our present society: the fascination with the killer and the mass killer; the interest in deviancy; the trust in science; our frustration with a lack of answers on crucial questions about the mind; the risks of studying the mind closely. The poem's approach to these themes is similar to much in modern free-verse and experimental poetry, such as one might fnd regularly in &lt;em&gt;The New Yorker&lt;/em&gt;. Many poets nowadays write in Finlay's manner in this poem: take a subject or object from popular culture and then treat it seriously, though with wryness and wit. The technique often becomes cloying and leads to bathos and prosetic musing of the worst sort. But some poets are skilled enough to handle the technique well, as I believe this poem does. I know I really should explain what's good and bad in the use of the technique, but I do not think I have the time now for an extended discussion of the matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should note that "The Case of Holmes" does not stand in close line with Finlay's usual style or approach. He was a much more serious poet than is suggested here with the wit he put on display in "The Case of Holmes." Nor is this a great poem -- though I do believe that John Finlay, as obscure as he is (certainly more obscure than even Yvor Winters and nearly all the poets of the Winters Canon), wrote a few great or near-great poems (4- or 5-star poems, in my system). But this poem is a striking example of what top-knotch verse focused on ideas can still accomplish, even at this late stage in the decay of poetry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I noted concerning the George Turberville poem I discussed in May, many of the poems in the Winters Canon directly concern this matter of the power of the mind and the province of reason. Much in Winters's own writings concern this matter, and I believe that Finlay was deeply influenced by Winters in his own poetry and criticism. One Winters poem I think of is the very fine poem "John Sutter," Winters's equally dense and ideational poem about the power of emotion to derail the processes and powers of reason. That poem was chosen by Ken Fields as part of the anthology &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, the book that I call, somewhat loosely, the Winters Canon. (Fields chose Winters's poems for the anthology after Winters died in early 1968 before the anthology was finished.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-8932008190085431237?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/07/searching-reason.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-4722003985111648903</guid><pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-05T07:58:38.663-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Evaluation</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Winters Canon</category><title>There They are -- Some Olympians!</title><description>&lt;div&gt;For decades, writers and critics have been bashing or dismissing Yvor Winters for trying to make a new canon, at least when they pay attention to him at all. Even those who have strong interests in or affinities with his critical work are so vexed by -- perhaps even ashamed of -- his classical canon-making that they refuse even to acknowledge that evaluation and revising or renewing the canon stand at the center of his critical thinking. As you certainly know if you read this blog, I harp on about this compilation I call the Winters Canon and the philosophy of canon-making to counter this refusal. Yet recently, I came across yet another suggestive indication of the importance of canon-making in the general literary culture. It came in an issue of &lt;em&gt;The American Scholar&lt;/em&gt;, the Winter 2009 issue, in which some writer I’ve never heard of entitled an essay:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Lunching on Olympus”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, there you go. That’s what the the making of canons is all about: deciding who the "Olympians" are, those artists wose works are so well written and so important that they are literary gods. The essay can be found at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theamericanscholar.org/lunching-on-olympus/"&gt;http://www.theamericanscholar.org/lunching-on-olympus/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The title, and the essay that follows, reveal, by implication, that the author believes (and, by deeper implication, that we all &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; believe) that among the "gods" of modern literature reign W. H. Auden, E. M. Forster, Philip Larkin, and William Empson, for these are the four authors he writes of lunching with "on Olympus." The essay is a casual one, offering no discussion or assessment or even praise of the four writers' work. In fact, the essay is a simple recounting of four mundane conversations, almost in the manner of an old &lt;em&gt;Esquire&lt;/em&gt; bio-essay. The essayist treats the four writers mostly as celebrities, not overtly as "gods." But the implication is clear: by giving these writers this kind of rapt attention, by implying that their humdrum lunchtime quips and quotes are worth laying out in detail, by giving all that title, we are meant to see these men as four of the Olympians, Gods of literature!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SiglTMAxzfI/AAAAAAAAA1w/5aHMkN-feX0/s1600-h/YWmsu66.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5343561969447325170" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 157px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SiglTMAxzfI/AAAAAAAAA1w/5aHMkN-feX0/s200/YWmsu66.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Now, what does this symbolism of Olympus mean? The essayist wishes or expects us to see these four writers as canonical -- that is, the writers whose work we should pay attention to, read often, ponder frequently, write and read criticism about, teach in class, expect educated people to know of, consider the best. Again, the choice of the word "Olympus" and the tone of the casual essay make the view plain and clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None of these poets, in my judgment, qualifies as an “Olympian” in this sense (though, I should note, John Fraser includes poems by Auden and Larkin in his &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, which has led me to reassess my evaluation of their work). But many people will no doubt continue to read these writers in part because of what the author of this American Scholar essay -- and most other critics -- say about them, that these writers are worth paying the closest attention to, as though their artworks were nearly scripture or revelation. (I say "most other critics" with the probable exception of Empson, whom few writers consider one of the greats of literature as well as I am able to determine.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That, my readers, is what making canons is for: declaring whose work should be read, which of their works should get the most attention, which should get the highest praise, which should serve as models and standards, which should be considered as supremely important -- and studied and contemplated as such. Should we pay more attention toi T.S. Eliot's "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" or to Elizabeth Daryush's "Still-Life"? To discover the Olympians, and to delineate how we can and should identify them, that is almost exactly what Yvor Winters was trying to achieve in making what I call the Winters Canon, those lists of greatest poems (and the anthology &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;) that so embarrass even those who have affinities with Winters's work nowadays. (The photo is of a sculpture depicting a fight among the Olympic gods.) Yet Winters realized, wisely, that evaluation stands at the heart of the work of criticism -- even among those who deny its centrality. In the "Forward" to &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In Defense of Reason&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; (1947) he explained the matter wisely and succinctly:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The professor of English Literature, who believes that taste is relative, yet who endeavors to convince his students that Hamlet is more worthy of their attention than some currently popular novel, is in a serious predicament, a predicament which is moral, intellectual, and in the narrowest sense professional, though he commonly has not the wit to realize the fact. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our professors identify or accept designated Olympians. Much of the very loose and vague system of canon-making in the general literary culture is built on, importantly, selecting what will be taught in class, but also on what will be written about in journals and, perhaps most importantly in our day, what will be said about particular literary works and authors in popular magazines and web sites. One example of the large role of popular media is Ron Rosenbaum's short essay on &lt;em&gt;Slate&lt;/em&gt; last year claiming that Keats's "Ode to Autumn" is the greatest poem in English, a matter which I have already discussed on this blog and on &lt;em&gt;Slate&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hence, don’t listen or cower the next time someone bashes or dismisses Yvor Winters for canon-making. Writers and critics and even readers of all stripes practice it -- mostly implicitly, but occasionally explicitly as well, as shown in this essay about lunching on Olympus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-4722003985111648903?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/06/there-they-are-some-olympians.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SiglTMAxzfI/AAAAAAAAA1w/5aHMkN-feX0/s72-c/YWmsu66.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-1789875083766458176</guid><pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-28T14:49:19.501-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>George Turberville</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Plain Style</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><title>Out, Out, Alien Reason</title><description>Let's reach back into the English Renaissance for a poem from a literary era that Yvor Winters held in such high esteem (so high that many have thought that he wished to return modern literary culture to its conditions, which is a thoroughly misinformed view). Winters chose none of the sharp, short, witty, poems of George Turberville for the Winters Canon, but he did use one of Turberville's shortest ditties as the epigraph to the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; anthology. His work is all in the Plain Style, which Winters so ably delineated during his critical career -- and I would certainly like to see more modern poetry written with this approach: dense, abstract, focused on ideas and wit. As to theme, Turberville's work is mostly conventional for the times, concerned with time passing and the challenges of love, as much of English and French lyric poetry of the time. Though I do not judge the following poem great, I find it thought-provoking and very well written:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;To His Love, That Sent Him a Ring Wherein Was Graved, "Let Reason Rule"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shall Reason rule where Reason Hath no right&lt;br /&gt;Nor never had? shall Cupid lose his lands?&lt;br /&gt;His claim? his crown? his kingdom? name of might?&lt;br /&gt;No, Friend, thy ring doth will me thus in vain;&lt;br /&gt;Reason and Love have ever yet been twain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They are by kind of such contrary mold,&lt;br /&gt;As one mislikes the other's lewd device:&lt;br /&gt;What Reason wills Cupid never would;&lt;br /&gt;Love never yet thought Reason to be wise.&lt;br /&gt;To Cupid I my homage erst have done;&lt;br /&gt;Let Reason rule the hearts that she hath won.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notes:&lt;br /&gt;by kind": by nature&lt;br /&gt;"lewd": common&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One would have to dig deep to understand fully what Turberville intended here. Is he bucking himself up to make or keep a commitment to some babe, or his wife, with this mythology of Reason and Cupid? From what I know of him, which is quite modest, he meant what he seems to have meant by the first and last lines, that he wishes to exclude Reason from matters of love. But to what purpose he wishes to indulge himself in such a construct, as we might now put it, I do not know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet despite the sharp excellence of this small poem, I find the central premise to be almost entirely untrue. Reason and Love do not hold sway over seperate realms, and Love rules no province in which Reason has no right. (The very idea of rational thought having rights of any sort within the precincts of the human soul or spirit is very strange.) Reason can, does, and should control activities in the land of Love to some degree, sometimes small, sometimes quite large -- perhaps most often as an Inner Check on the promptings and demands of Cupid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So why, we may ask, did Turberville wish to tell himself these little myths (if myths they are, which is wide open for endless debate, of course)? He doesn't seem to be proferring these ideas insincerely or satirically, from what I know of his life and work. But it is clearly obvious, and was so in Turberville's day, I believe, that human beings often do employ reason in the business of love. So why would the poet defend his myth? We can only speculate about Turberville, while trying to survey the lands where Cupid and Reason vie in our own souls to see what application his ideas might have. For we in this age are deeply taken with this same myth, that the ways of Love cannot and should not be controlled or influenced by Reason. Indeed, so much does the poem express notions that are widespread in modern times that it feels almost romantic in its implications, though, of course, Romanticism would not come to full flower until more than two centuries later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many poems of the Winters Canon are concerned with issues that are central to "To His Love," which we might generally call the province of Reason. Yvor Winters's own "John Sutter" is one of the great studies of the power of desire or passion in human experience. One phrase from the poem, "grained by alchemic change," strikes to the heart of the matter. The phrase refers to the "madness" for gold that overmastered and led to destructiveness the prospectors on Sutter's land. The poem speaks to the power of the passions nearly to transform our nature, at least for periods when we give in to their sway, though Winters held that Reason can and does and often should hold sway over such passions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what came to mind more readily is Edith Wharton's novel &lt;em&gt;The Age of Innocence&lt;/em&gt;, one of the great novels of all-time in the judgment of Yvor Winters (I concur), perhaps the first prominent critic to judge it so highly. &lt;em&gt;The Age of Innocence&lt;/em&gt; concerns, in part, the ways in which Reason and other forces check Cupid. I think that novel stands above this poem as a more true and complete evaluation of the relationship between them because it more accurately portrays the psychic landscape where Reason and Cupid and moral codes and competing desires jostle for control. Also, I might add, Martin Scorsese's film of the novel is worth seeing as well. I consider this film to be one of the finest ever made, judging it apart from the novel it adapted so well and so thoroughly as I am able. Though off the subject, I note that the film uses the symbol of sumptuousness more forcefully than the novel, with insightful results. But that's a subject for another post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Turberville's poem also brought to mind a passage from William James's famed speech "Remarks at the Peace Banquet," which he gave in Boston on the closing day of the World Peace Congress in October of1904:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Reason is one of the very feeblest of nature's forces, if you take it at only one spot and moment. It is only in the very long run that its effects become perceptible. Reason assumes to settle things by weighing them against each other without prejudice, partiality or excitement; but what affairs in the concrete are settled by is, and always will be, just prejudices, partialities, cupidities and excitements. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Turberville goes beyond this. However feeble it might be, he seeks to exclude Reason, though, as I say, what he fears from Reason malingering in Cupid's supposed realm is uncertain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the Renaissance is littered with poems on or related to the subject. One I thought of is Christopher Marlowe's famous lines from "Hero and Leander":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;It lies not in our power to love or hate,&lt;br /&gt;For will in us is over-ruled by fate.&lt;br /&gt;The reason no man knows; let it suffice,&lt;br /&gt;What we behold is censured by our eyes.&lt;br /&gt;Where both deliberate, the love is slight.&lt;br /&gt;Who ever loved, that loved not at first sight?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's the expression of a myth that reigns in hearts to this day, as Hollywood shows us again and again. Lastly, I must note that William Shakespeare also had much to say on the subject of the relationship of Reason and Cupid. "Sonnet 147" from his famed series is particularly complementary to Turberville's concerns:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;My love is as a fever, longing still&lt;br /&gt;For that which longer nurseth the disease;&lt;br /&gt;Feeding on that which doth preserve the ill,&lt;br /&gt;The uncertain sickly appetite to please.&lt;br /&gt;My reason, the physician to my love,&lt;br /&gt;Angry that his prescriptions are not kept,&lt;br /&gt;Hath left me, and I desperate now approve,&lt;br /&gt;Desire his death, which physic did expect.&lt;br /&gt;Past cure I am, now reason is past care,&lt;br /&gt;And frantic-mad with evermore unrest;&lt;br /&gt;My thoughts and my discourse as madmen’s are,&lt;br /&gt;At random from the truth vainly express’d;&lt;br /&gt;For I have sworn thee fair, and thought thee bright,&lt;br /&gt;Who art as black as hell, as dark as night.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note, however, the much different tone -- Shakespeare seeing love in this instance as a hellish disease. In contrast to this sonnet, Turberville's poem expresses no lament over Reason leaving him. Rather he insists upon Reason's departure -- to the point of denying its rights in the lands of Cupid. &lt;/p&gt;Ah, well, now we have much to reflect on. In sum, George Turberville's little poem brings up a questions that I have pondered a lot in my days. For me, the principal one is why we tell ourselves -- and often deeply convince ourselves -- of little myths, like Turberville's, by which to live our lives. I believe Turberville is mostly wrong, as sharp and sure as his verse is. But, perhaps, his myth is valuable, maybe even essential, for some purposes. Perhaps we can only love truly and fully by believing that love has no truck with reason. How I wish J.V. Cunningham had studied this subject of Reason and Cupid in English Renaissance poetry.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-1789875083766458176?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/05/out-out-alien-reason.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-8170059772299636793</guid><pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-21T14:43:52.948-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Janet Lewis</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><title>Time Fulfilled</title><description>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/ShXKjEVRtdI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/LVm5jzC5WIk/s1600-h/YWmsu70.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5338395637124806098" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 87px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/ShXKjEVRtdI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/LVm5jzC5WIk/s200/YWmsu70.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/ShXIDYxUE_I/AAAAAAAAA1Q/99PopCFyAnU/s1600-h/YWmsu70.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I hereby nominate this week's poem as a great poem, meaning that it stands among the 200 or 300 all-time best in our language. I have mentioned it before, but I haven't placed it before my readers yet. I know of no critic, poet, or scholar who has judged this poem to be great, though, as I will discuss in a moment, Helen Pinkerton, drew particular attention to it nearly 30 years ago. (The photo is a shot of a greenhouse worker discarding lily blossoms, the significance of which you will see in a moment.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was written by Janet Lewis, wife of Yvor Winters. Mrs. Lewis was an accomplished poet who put out relatively little poetry. She did, however write several great or near-great poems, as well as many other very fine pieces. I rate most of her work at 3 or 4 stars by my rating system. Her novels are also excellent, perhaps as fine as near-great (perhaps 4 stars by my system). She has mostly been forgotten, except among Wintersians and those with some interest in Winters. Here is the poem, from later in her career, that I judge to be one of the greats of the English language:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;For the Father of Sandro Gulotta&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I called the children from play&lt;br /&gt;Where the westering sun&lt;br /&gt;Fell level between the leaves&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;. of olive and bay,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;There where the day lilies stand,&lt;br /&gt;I paused&lt;br /&gt;. to touch with a curious hand&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;The single blossom, furled,&lt;br /&gt;That with morning had opened wide,&lt;br /&gt;The long bud tinged&lt;br /&gt;. with gold of an evening sky.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All day, and only one day,&lt;br /&gt;It drank the sunlit air.&lt;br /&gt;In one long day&lt;br /&gt;All that it needed to do in this world&lt;br /&gt;It did, and at evening precisely curled&lt;br /&gt;The tender petals to shield&lt;br /&gt;From wind, from dew,&lt;br /&gt;The pollen-laden heart.&lt;br /&gt;Sweet treasure, gathered apart&lt;br /&gt;From our grief, from our longing view,&lt;br /&gt;Who shall say if the day was too brief&lt;br /&gt;For the flower, if time lacked?&lt;br /&gt;Had it not, like the children, all Time&lt;br /&gt;In their long, immortal day?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;(Mrs. Lewis's note: "written for Vicenzo Gulotta of Milano whose son was dying of leukemia.")&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(By the way, the lines beginning with periods are actually set over to the first tab, but Lord help me if I can discover how to set a tab in this blogger software. I wanted to indicate the original typography in some way.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I have discussed briefly a couple years back, Janet Lewis did not appear to share the bracing, brave, yet sorrowful stoicism of her husband. This poem offers no explicitly religious theme, though we might not have to dig far into Lewis's writings and biography to reach the conclusion that in this poem she was expressing some kind of Christian hope. But on its face, the poem does not give us a hope that is specifically, explicitly Christian. Indeed, the final lines are so indefinite as to leave us rather bewildered. We can interpret them, or assent to them, in myriad ways as assertions about "the world to come" (or "worlds" to come, I might add). But is that the central purpose of the poem, to express some view of an afterlife? Religious pluralist as she seems to have been, Lewis appears in this poem not to have wanted to hold out some kind of hope in an afterlife, but to explore the meaning of "Time" in our lives and deaths, even in very short lives, such as that of day lilies. This poem offers no identifiable hope in a separate supernatural existence, though it is probably true that Lewis believed that there is one. But the poem as it stands only expresses a vague, uncertain feeling of hope -- and as a poem, not as a set of philosophical propositions. But as such, the poem is a beautiful explication of its themes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, I have spent too much time writing the paragraphs below to offer much now on the structure and language of the poem. Let me quickly say that the diction is flawless and the lines are wonderfully made. In particular, I would like you to note the movement in and out of rhyme, which I consider a superb model for future work in contemplative verse. It reminds me of another old device that has found few poets to give it to a try, Shakespeare's use of a couplet to end a section of blank verse. Lewis herself offers several couplets here and there with expert control. The meter, too, is skillfully managed throughout the poem and deserves close study.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Turning back to themes, the great modern classical poet Helen Pinkerton, who is still living, wrote some years back that this poem expresses a belief that Time (with that capital "T") is "fulfilled" through living, however short the life is as measured by time (with the small "t"). As much I respect Ms. Pinkerton's work, she does not elaborate on this idea in a way that makes more sense than the poem itself, I must confess. I don't see how "Time" is fulfilled in living within time as a measure. I cannot see what such a concept would mean for my life if it were true, nor what it might mean for anyone else's life as a whole, ended in death, to be a fulfillment of Time. The concept sounds like blather, as much as I have pondered it. Sometimes, I get the sense that it is a Buddhist idea of some sort -- one of those supremely vague notions of a person's life being like a drop of water that falls into an eternal ocean of pure and exalted being. Pinkerton's is an interesting, though brief, meditation on the poem, though I will leave it for you to discover yourself. It can be found in the "Introduction" to Lewis's &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Poems Old and New, 1918-1978&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (Swallow Press, 1982).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For the Father of Sandro Gulotta" expresses ideas that are similar to Yvor Winters's in some ways, but it holds out something different. As is clear from her body of work, Lewis wrestled with some of the same notions of time and Time as her husband (though let me be clear that he never wrote of a difference between small-t-time and captital-t-Time). There are at least a dozen poems in Lewis's oeuvre that directly address the matter. One of the most interesting for our purposes here is an earlier and fine sonnet entitled "Time and Music." This poem, which I will not quote in full, was adressed to Winters, who had written a poem about that mentioned being "trapped in time." In reply, Lewis expressed the idea in "Time and Music" that just as a piece of music is experienced in and through time passing but has a wholeness beyond time, so human beings live life within time but can see their lives whole as part of Time. This appears to be vaguely related to Lewis's notion in "For the Father" that one day is immortal. As a melody rides time in a piece of music, wrote Lewis in "Time and Music," so we "from life as well as death are freed...." As I say, I cannot fathom how it could be that the passing of our lives inside time, like the passing of a piece of music, has a more complete and even immortal existence (or something like that) outside or above or beyond Time. That string of words I just laid out sounds perilously close to nonsense when I think about them for long, though they might summarize what Pinkerton was talking about in her comments about Time's being fulfilled in living, however short the life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leads us to the question whether Lewis's indefinite ideas about immortal days and lives, whether true in any sense, provide any comfort, as they appear to have been intended to do? Though I consider the poem a great one, a classical one, I find the idea of an immortal day, as well as I can understand it, rather cold, like Greek warriors giving their lives to violent death for longlasting fame. Nonetheless, I remain open to conceptions of time and Time that can help us and comfort us at the prospect of death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another point to make is that many poems in the Winters Canon are deeply concerned with time, especially with the sorrows of its relentless, unstoppable passing. I have done no systematic study of the diction in the 185 poems of &lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;, but a rough run-through showed me that the word "time" is probably the most oft-used word in the anthology. If you are one of those who look to word counts for insight into ideas, this is surely an important finding. One ringing example is Shakespeare's Sonnet 77, especially these lines:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know&lt;br /&gt;Time's thievish progress to eternity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is something very different from what Janet Lewis had in mind, as you no doubt see (she knew this sonnet well). Time as a thief does not mesh well with the idea of death fulfilling time. My general point, though, is that there is much to study, many differing views of time, across the Winters Canon. Someone really should take up a study of the matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this leads us, at the last, to a reconsideration of the poem's achievement. Is it possible for a great poem to be rationally obscure -- or rather &lt;em&gt;significantly&lt;/em&gt; obscure -- at the point that it reaches its fullest evaluation of its material? For, as I have said, I find the idea of fulfilled Time to be obscure to a great degree. Yet I am holding out hope that I will someday see that this concept of Time is rational, or at least not significantly, ruinously obscure. Perhaps I will see the matter otherwise in the years ahead, one way or another. For now, I judge "For the Father Sandro Gulotta" one of our greatest poems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your sundry reflections, as always, are welcome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-8170059772299636793?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/05/time-fulfilled.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/ShXKjEVRtdI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/LVm5jzC5WIk/s72-c/YWmsu70.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-1934944379172407539</guid><pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-14T14:18:12.079-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Donald Justice</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><title>Someone Dear</title><description>Who or what might this be? I suppose we're stuck with saying that it's up to each one of us to decide for himself who or what it is or might be. Some of us find comfort that it is God, as he is conceived in one of the longstanding concepts of divinity, such as one of the many Christian or Jewish concepts. But other people, especially in the last 300 years, have wandered, searching, into new conceptions of what or what this might be, such as into pluralism or a finite god or even many gods (though, of course, various polytheistic systems have found adherents among men and women for thousands of years). Especially nowadays, others have resolutely set off on new roads on which they trust, with whatever regrets, that there is no "someone dear" to be found and no "home" to go home to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But is this sonnet about ultimate reality, as I infer? There's nothing certain in it to indicate this, except for the tone and feel and a few words (such as "majesty" and "faithless"). But to me the chilhhood events described feel as though they stand as symbols, and many readers of the poem have taken them as symbolic. But the poem could be about this world alone -- about the human experience of hoping for some kind of literal home on Earth. Do we look to the author to decide?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Poet at Seven&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And on the porch, across the upturned chair,&lt;br /&gt;The boy would spread a dingy counterpane&lt;br /&gt;Against the length and majesty of the rain,&lt;br /&gt;And on all fours crawl under it like a bear&lt;br /&gt;To lick his wounds in secret, in his lair;&lt;br /&gt;And afterwards, in the windy yard again,&lt;br /&gt;One hand cocked back, release his paper plane&lt;br /&gt;Frail as a mayfly to the faithless air.&lt;br /&gt;And summer evenings he would whirl around&lt;br /&gt;Faster and faster till the drunken ground&lt;br /&gt;Rose up to meet him; sometimes he would squat&lt;br /&gt;Among the bent weeds of the vacant lot,&lt;br /&gt;Waiting for dusk and someone dear to come&lt;br /&gt;And whip him down the street, but gently home.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Donald Justice was once a student of Yvor Winters in the latter stages of his career at Stanford. Justice died in 2004 after a long career as a poet and teacher. I offer this poem because some quasi-Wintersians and others who have remained interested in Winters's ideas have pointed to Justice's work as exceptionally strong poetry that has roots in Winters's classicism. John Fraser has included several of Justice's poems in his quasi-Wintersian anthology, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;A New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, implying that they are at least near-great. Justice wrote many poems in traditional forms, though he sometimes loosened the forms a great deal -- in many poems even to the point of losing almost all sense of an ostensible form. But he also wrote poems in a prosaic free verse (though it was consistently good prose) that barely rises above what I call prosetic musing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this variation on a Petrarchan sonnet, Justice maintains a strongly iambic pentameter line while varying from the underlying meter in strikingly expressive ways. The only oddities in the verse are the endings of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th lines. These lines all follow the iambic pattern until the final foot, which are anapests. I don't see any point to this particular emphatic variation at these three positions in the sonnet. The 4th line in particular is made a shambles by the anapest, and the line gains nothing thematically important from the clunky variation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I judge John Fraser's selections for his &lt;em&gt;New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt; to be good poems, some better than others. But I find "The Poet at Seven" to be a better poem than several Fraser selected, none of which I judge to be great or close to great. I don't consider "The Poet at Seven" a great poem, either, but it is a fine one, and it adheres to some of the principles of Wintersian classicism that Justice learned in class and toyed with during his career.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SgxetQH-IbI/AAAAAAAAA0g/U1HpFh-eipY/s1600-h/YWmsu69.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5335743790042718642" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 221px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SgxetQH-IbI/AAAAAAAAA0g/U1HpFh-eipY/s320/YWmsu69.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;But what of the symbolism? I see Justice's look back at play when he was 7 years old as symbolic. What do you think? Justice remembers the games he played and appears to turn them into symbols of the desires and goals and work that have occupied him across his life. The hiding from the rain suggest his running from adversities. The flying of a paper airplane suggests his seeking to achieve his aspirations. The spinning until dizzy suggests a delight in the world of the senses (though this symbol is much more uncertain and probably a mild weakness). His waiting for a parent or friend to take him home suggests his desire for some greater being and some better home than this world gives us -- something like William James's "Something More."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I consider the symbol of home to border on a cliché, but I must admit that the use of home as a symbol is a prominent one in the poems of the Winters Canon, especially in poems written in the last century. Winters himself and his wife Janet Lewis both used the concept of home in their finest poetry. The symbol appears to be central in some way to human life, so vital that it cannot be dismissed as sentimental or vapid. That is something that could bear closer study.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Among other great modern classical poems that address the issue at hand in "The Poet at Seven" -- ultimate reality, we could say -- I think of Wallace Stevens's "The Course of a Particular," in which one element in the world of nature issues a cry that "concerns no one at all." The suggestion is heavy in that poem that there is no home for us to be taken to, that we wait in vain among weeds in vacant lots, if any of us are waiting at all, for a friend or lover or parent to take us there. Also, there is Stevens's "Of Heaven Considered as a Tomb," in which the poet ponders his grave, chilling description of an "abysmal night / when the host shall no more wander."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet another poem, a very short one, that concerns these ideas, one that Winters seems to have considered at least near-great, was written by the forgotten Adelaide Crapsey, "To Man Who Goes Seeking Immortality, Bidding Him Look Nearer Home":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Too far afield thy search. Nay, turn. Nay, turn.&lt;br /&gt;At thine own elbow potent Memory stands&lt;br /&gt;Thy double, and eternity is cupped&lt;br /&gt;In the pale hollow of those ghostly hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Home is in the mind, Crapsey appears to be saying, which echoes some of Stevens's less accomplished poems, such as "The Idea of Order at Key West." (I wonder what Crapsey's reaction would have been to developments in beliefs about memory in the past 20 years or so, as more and more thinkers and writers abandon all belief -- sometimes cynically, but often blithely -- that memory delivers anything real from the past, that everything we remember is a construct of the imagination.) Crapsey appears to be saying that no one is coming to whip us, gently or not, away from the weedy lot of this material existence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, though I have merely scratched the surface on this topic, I think again of a poem I have quoted already on this blog as one of our greatest and most important poems, J.V. Cunningham's "Epigram 43":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;In whose will is our peace? Thou happiness,&lt;br /&gt;Thou ghostly promise, to thee I confess&lt;br /&gt;Neither in thine nor love's nor in that form&lt;br /&gt;Disquiet hints at have I yet been warm;&lt;br /&gt;And if I rest not till I rest in thee&lt;br /&gt;Cold as thy grace, whose hand shall comfort me?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contradistinction to Justice's poem, this poem portrays a world in which the "homes" the poet has found or tried to find have given none of the comforts we believe home should bring, though he longs for that comfort still.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is much more in this vein among the poems of the Winters Canon, as found in Yvor Winters's great anthology &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. At this point I leave the matter for your own study, though I look forward to your comments and reflections on Donald Justice's sonnet.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-1934944379172407539?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/05/someone-dear.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SgxetQH-IbI/AAAAAAAAA0g/U1HpFh-eipY/s72-c/YWmsu69.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-8423457777630531981</guid><pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-07T14:19:42.087-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Raymond Oliver</category><title>Now We Have to Decide What to Do with Them</title><description>I thought of Bernie Madoff's crimes when I recently ran across a short poem by Raymond Oliver, once a student of Yvor Winters and now a retired professor of English and all but forgotten in the literary world. Oliver has specialized in the epigram, the very short poem, and translations of late Medieval and Renaissance verse. A few of his poems and translations are superb; others are well struck but minor; yet others are light verse, though good stuff nonetheless. Here's one for our times from his 1982 chapbook &lt;em&gt;Entries&lt;/em&gt; that amounts to acerbic light verse:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Last Judgment&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Medieval scuptors knew,&lt;br /&gt;Better than marxists, what to do&lt;br /&gt;With the exploiting upper classes:&lt;br /&gt;You carve them naked into stone,&lt;br /&gt;With fiends that strip them to the bone&lt;br /&gt;While shoving skewers up their asses.&lt;br /&gt;Torture them richly and with skill.&lt;br /&gt;And then let them pay the bill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More than venting one's frustration, this sharp, short poem is about shame. No longer fearing death much -- what with hell and even the afterlife mostly denied or ignored nowadays -- wouldn't many an exploiter like to hang on to his so-called earthly "legacy," as we see, for example, in the opening efforts of the Dubya team in recent months. Maybe the thought of lasting &lt;em&gt;infamy&lt;/em&gt; is part of what keeps exploiters in line as well as they can be kept in line. That's worth some thought. Though I am a political liberal in the current parlance, I know a few erudite conservative commentators who have argued forcefully and persuasively of late for a renewal of shame in our culture. In that vein, this poem from Raymond Oliver gives rise to some valuable reflection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On another matter, I noticed that the late Thom Gunn, a semi-Wintersian, blurbed a couple years back for Oliver's latest book of poems (which I have not seen and cannot find), &lt;em&gt;His Book of Hours&lt;/em&gt;, “Ray Oliver's poems are like none others I have read.” I think I know what Gunn meant, but the blurb is unintentionally funny because it actually says nothing at all -- not unlike many an advertising tagline (such as Pizza Hut's latest vapid pitch: "Now, that's eating"). Oliver has written mostly in traditional forms, but he has published a few free verse poems that come close to prosetic musing. If you are inclined to try, it will be hard to track his work down, of course, but a few poems are available online here and there. He is not a great poet, in my judgment, but he has done some skillful and thoughtful work that deserves attention in a Wintersian classicist enclave, as Donald Stanford gave him in the &lt;em&gt;Southern Review&lt;/em&gt; more than 20 years back. Oliver wrote an essay for and published more than dozen poems in the 1981 Yvor Winters issue of the &lt;em&gt;Southern Review&lt;/em&gt;. (That rich issue, by the way, is an important one that deserves attention among modern classicists.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At some point I will come back to one or two of Oliver's translations.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-8423457777630531981?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/05/now-we-have-to-decide-what-to-do-with.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-1862385723877394445</guid><pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-07T14:20:02.596-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Catherine Davis</category><title>Drifting Vagrants</title><description>Catherine Davis (1924–2002) was another of Yvor Winters's students at Stanford back in the 1940s, a student whose work he regarded very highly. Indeed, Winters chose six of her poems, which are epigrams, for the Winters Canon, a decision which has received no second that I know of, even among Wintersians. This is not to say, nevertheless, that Davis's poetry has been thought poorly of in the Stanford School. John Fraser chose three of her poems for his quasi-Wintersian anthology &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;The New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, even though, without comment, he discarded Winters's choices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sfn4JMx1DwI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/pwzJTkiZ4Ic/s1600-h/YWmsu68.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5330564470902427394" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 128px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sfn4JMx1DwI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/pwzJTkiZ4Ic/s200/YWmsu68.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One or two of Catherine Davis's poems have remained in circulation, which is heartening. You can find them on the web with a search engine. Further, just last year, after her work's long rest in near complete oblivion, Stanford University put on a reading of her poetry in her honor at some anniversary or another. But I wonder how many non-academics, or even academics, have been reading her work, besides me, during the past 40 years? It can't have been many. Any readers of this blog?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This week I reach back and offer a poem that has enriched my life over three decades. It was first published in the first issue of the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Southern Review, Second Series&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, January 1965, that year's Winter issue, Volume 1, Number 1, though I read the poem some 15 years after its first publication. (The photo is of Pastor Daniel Ajayi-Adeniran leading a prayer service at the Chapel of Restoration in the Bronx, the pertinence of which you will see in the poem.) As I have discussed a number of times on this blog, Donald Stanford, classicist and former student of Winters, restarted the &lt;em&gt;Southern Review&lt;/em&gt; at LSU and turned part of his editorial work toward the development of a Wintersian or Stanford School enclave from 1965 to 1982. Here's the poem, a forgotten near-great of modern classicism:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The First Step&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The last step is the first.&lt;br /&gt;And so I have descended&lt;br /&gt;(Being of single mind)&lt;br /&gt;Through fifteen narrow years,&lt;br /&gt;And knew what I intended&lt;br /&gt;But not what I should find.&lt;br /&gt;The downward flight, reversed,&lt;br /&gt;As I look back in dread,&lt;br /&gt;Ascends and disappears&lt;br /&gt;In shadow overhead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What will the next step be?&lt;br /&gt;It should have been the climb,&lt;br /&gt;The ardent foot and hand&lt;br /&gt;Seeking the laurel rood.&lt;br /&gt;But I have come in time&lt;br /&gt;To know that where I stand&lt;br /&gt;Is not the place where he,&lt;br /&gt;Bernard, or some lost guide,&lt;br /&gt;Who led me here, had stood,&lt;br /&gt;Stripped of his lusts and pride.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This figure of the stair,&lt;br /&gt;Being a monk's design,&lt;br /&gt;Having a monk's intent&lt;br /&gt;Of purging self-regard,&lt;br /&gt;I must at last resign&lt;br /&gt;(God knows, some monks repent!)&lt;br /&gt;As neither here not there.&lt;br /&gt;The self unsatified&lt;br /&gt;Is what I find, Bernard,&lt;br /&gt;Not God; nothing but pride.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How does it help, sweet saint,&lt;br /&gt;To know our wretchedness,&lt;br /&gt;When there's no going back?&lt;br /&gt;How does it help to know&lt;br /&gt;By heart how comfortless&lt;br /&gt;We are, how much we lack,&lt;br /&gt;And what we fear? The taint&lt;br /&gt;Of death, of broken meat&lt;br /&gt;I've tasted, too, and oh&lt;br /&gt;How cold the food I eat!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How does it help to see&lt;br /&gt;How sick at heart we are,&lt;br /&gt;Or find out where we erred?&lt;br /&gt;I see both whence I came&lt;br /&gt;And where I am, how far&lt;br /&gt;I've drifted who preferred&lt;br /&gt;My own fool vagrancy:&lt;br /&gt;If, knowing this, I go&lt;br /&gt;My own way all the same,&lt;br /&gt;How does it help to know?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Boy, I gotta step out on the limb here and say that, if not great, this is pretty close to a great poem, even though Winters might have considered it too personal to be worth much. Though he never wrote specifically about this poem, he didn't think it even came close to reaching greatness, as is clear from his endnote in &lt;em&gt;Forms of Discovery&lt;/em&gt; on the seven poems from Davis that Donald Stanford published in the 1965 &lt;em&gt;Southern Review&lt;/em&gt;: Winters wrote, rather brusquely, that they are "of little interest." (By differing from Winters on this poem, as you see, I play my oligatory modern cultural role, as all writers must, in showing that I am an independent thinker beholden to or enthralled by no woman or man -- even though I have been called Winters's "epigone" [oh, what a shameful tag to be labeled with, even if irrational].) I guess I'm still willing to hold off and wait for some sort of confirmation of my judgment that this poem is great, not being as strong-willed or as sure as Yvor Winters about my judgments. So far as I know, I stand alone in my high judgment of this poem. Anyone want to join me? Or must all, as is irrationally required by the aforementioned cultural rule, differ from me? Was Winters wrong about it? Did he miss its achievement -- and, perhaps, badly?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The poem is the work of a person with a certain sensibility, going through a certain kind of experience. But it's delineation of moral resignation and weariness, of the dangers of acedia, is deeply powerful and searching. The structure is elegant and strongly rational. The meter and phrasing are downright superb. They deserve careful study, which I might get to some time, if I find the energy. The end of the fourth stanza, in particular, is strikingly meaningful, especially as the stanza moves to its chilling, insightful final line. I've been talking with this poem, answering it, letting it reply to me, for most of my adult life. I believe it to be worthy of attention across the American readership. I'd say that it's better than 80% of the poems in William Harmon's &lt;em&gt;Top 500 Poems&lt;/em&gt;. In other words, it should, as I provisionally opine, be a touchstone. But whether it achieved greatness or not, it is a terrible shame that it has been forgotten for so long.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A couple additional notes: As I mention, John Fraser chose three of Davis's poems for his &lt;em&gt;New Book of Verse&lt;/em&gt;. Fraser has been adding some new poems from living poets to his online anthology lately, and I encourage you to visit his site. He does not include this poem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I want to point out that "The First Step" complements a number of extraordinary poems that Yvor Winters judged to be among our finest works of literary art. I think of George Gascoinge's "Woodmanship," which is also about spiritual or psychic weariness and frustration, though that early Renaissance poem has a very different emotional bearing. (That's the poem I have been stuck on in my review of the Winters Canon, on which I'll get restarted, I hope, by the fall.) Also, the poem has certain resonances with George Herbert's "Church Monuments," which concerns in an oblique but incisive way the earnest search for what to do with life. Further, it can be profitably considered with Robert Bridges's great poem "The Afflication of Richard," which is about the inability of a believer to quit a faith that frustrates him. Lastly, there is Baudelaire. My, there is a vast subject, which I do not have the time to go into now (who has?). But Baudelaire's trenchant examinations of "spiritual torpor" (as Winters called the condition in his discussion of acedia in his essay on T.S. Eliot from the early 1940s) is unquestionably resonant with Davis's poem in many ways. A sonnet to start with might be "Le Mort Joyeux" ("The Joyful Dead"), which Winters considered one of our greatest French poems (the rough translation of the first stanza is my own):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dans une terre grasse et pleine d'escargots&lt;br /&gt;Je veux creuser moi-même une fosse profonde,&lt;br /&gt;Où je puisse à loisir étaler mes vieux os&lt;br /&gt;Et dormir dans l'oubli comme un requin dans l'onde.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(In a fatty plot of ground, full of snails,&lt;br /&gt;I'd like to dig myself a deep, dark grave,&lt;br /&gt;Where, at leisure, I'd spread my old bones&lt;br /&gt;And sleep in oblivion, like a shark in a wave.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-1862385723877394445?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/04/drifting-vagrants.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sfn4JMx1DwI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/pwzJTkiZ4Ic/s72-c/YWmsu68.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-4158556924897315245</guid><pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-07T14:20:16.100-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Donald Drummond</category><title>A Poet of the Pacific</title><description>A poet whose work I have always admired a great deal is Donald Drummond, a former student of Yvor Winters's at Stanford in the 1940s. His poetry was featured in the second regional poetry anthology Winters edited, &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Poets of the Pacific, Second Series&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. Drummond is wholly forgotten now. I do not know of a single writer or critic who has mentioned his work in the past 50 years. Here's a strikingly well composed poem of Drummond's from the pacific poets anthology, which was first published in 1949:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;To My Father&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;The strong grow stronger in their faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;And from their strength their faith grows strong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;And you who fastened on a wraith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Which moved John Wesley were not wrong&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;To fix your being to that rock&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;From which the purest water flowed,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Allying pity to the stock&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Whom Calvin fired into a goad&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Which pricked old kings and cardinals&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;To fury, and whose faith subdued&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;The Plymouth winter, and the calls&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Of flesh which tore the multitude, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Who built a solitary state&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Upon the bare Laurentian soil,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Who looked on slothfulness with hate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;That moment they were hating toil, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;You were not wrong to scorn the man&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Who scorning, turned the other cheek,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Nor with your grave religious scan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;To seek the best which best men seek. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;And you may challenge, not condemn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;The risk each generation runs:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;That faith from which your being stems&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;Prove insubstantial to your sons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SfCDRERBPQI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/Qf6oLxCYY98/s1600-h/YWmsu67.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5327902688405437698" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 111px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SfCDRERBPQI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/Qf6oLxCYY98/s200/YWmsu67.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This is moving poem, and much of the emotion derives from the superb handling of the seemingly rigid structure. Note that it has a theme that it consonant with my discussion of Agnes Lee's "Convention" last week. The long second sentence, which runs over several stanzas, is particularly charged with emotion. Drummond had a style most readers nowadays would consider wooden. But I find his style to be particularly suited to a revival of classicism in our times, well ordered and dignified. This style is not going to be especially popular, I realize. But it pays well on careful reading. In this poem, the subtle variations from the strict meter and controlled structure are very well executed. There is only one minor flaw, this in punctuation. The line ending in "hating toil" should end with a semi-colon. As punctuated, the comma makes for a run-on sentence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I pause to note that Drummond is one of the many, many students Winters taught whom he did not champion as great poets. Winters has far, far, FAR! too many times been accused of nepotism, for supposedly ridiculously favoring poets unheralded by any critic other than himself. But Drummond, as fine as his work was, did not merit much discussion in Winters writings, and he chose none of his poetry for the Winters Canon. Let me state again: it's time for critics to shut up -- stop making this silly charge of nepotism, which has unjustly damaged Winters's reputation. It is true that Winters thought a few of his students wrote great poetry, but I will both defend those judgments and counter that he passed over the work of many fine poets who have been lamentably forgotten. Donald Drummond is one.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-4158556924897315245?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/04/poet-of-pacific.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SfCDRERBPQI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/Qf6oLxCYY98/s72-c/YWmsu67.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-126753595532008934</guid><pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-07T14:21:37.082-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>J.V. Cunningham</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Agnes Lee</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><title>Agnes Lee? Who's That?</title><description>Another of those seemingly bizarre judgments Winters made concerned the excellence of a small poem by Agnes Lee, a now almost entirely forgotten American poet of the late 19th century. The poem in question is "The Sweeper," which can be found on the web. It is hard to say exactly how highly Winters judged this poem, though that he judged it very highly and wanted to draw attention to it are without question. Some critics suspect that he didn't really consider it one of our greats, which doesn't touch on the question of whether &lt;em&gt;we&lt;/em&gt; should consider it great. Those are important subjects for discussion when I come to the poem in my reëvaluation of the Winters Canon. For now, let me offer another poem by Lee, which in tone and structure is much like "The Sweeper."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Convention &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The snow is lying very deep.&lt;br /&gt;My house is sheltered from the blast.&lt;br /&gt;I hear each muffled step outside,&lt;br /&gt;I hear each voice go past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I'll not venture in the drift&lt;br /&gt;Out of this bright security,&lt;br /&gt;Till enough footsteps come and go&lt;br /&gt;To make a path for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I admire this poem a good deal. It is hard to know without some deep study what exactly Lee might have been sheltering from and what the footsteps symbolize in this little parable. Was it religious belief? Judging from many of her other poems and the charged diction (blast, bright security), it seems so, though I do not know enough about her to venture a guess as to what exactly she believed about ultimate reality or religion. But the poem is poignant and thought-provoking. Of course, it runs against the American myth of rugged individualism, but that myth has always been very much more observed in the breaking than in the keeping. There is much more good stuff in the poetry of Agnes Lee. I'll get back to her -- she deserves the attention.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SedRThYPKnI/AAAAAAAAA0I/Z0fnScXP6eg/s1600-h/YWmsu65.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5325314480208292466" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 200px" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SedRThYPKnI/AAAAAAAAA0I/Z0fnScXP6eg/s200/YWmsu65.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;For now, another matter to think about is Yvor Winters's strident conventionalism, the idea that a rational society and culture are built on the shoulders of of our greatest thinkers past, who laid down the footsteps we should follow (to mix metaphors). Winters believed that modern literary practices and theories threatened the whole rational order of Western civilization. (The pictured T-shirt, by the way, reads: "Conventional wisdom is the ruin of our souls." There's a foolish saying for you, but it has surely become a modern myth in our society.) It is a position that no one I know of has tried since to make a case for or develop. Winters himself was fairly sketchy about the whole idea, with however much table-thumping certainty he wrote of the matter (as of nearly all matters). It's an idea that needs and deserves a new look, though no one has yet bothered to take it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, I should mention that J.V. Cunningham, Winters's friend and one-time student, was closely interested in this matter of convention. He wrote a number of superb poems that reflected on the issue, as well as a lot of criticism that addressed it. Though only a Wintersian in a rough sense, Cunningham certainly was a classicist who gave us some exceedingly important insights into modern literature that, alas, have been mostly ignored. One of his epigrams from &lt;em&gt;The Judge is Fury&lt;/em&gt; came to mind when I was pondering Lee's short poem:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Epigram 12&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was concerned for you and keep that part&lt;br /&gt;In these days, irrespective of the heart:&lt;br /&gt;And not for friendship, not for love, but cast&lt;br /&gt;In that role by the presence of the past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This poem is about human motivation, a frequent topic in Cunningham's verse, but also about conventions and social expectations. Particularly, it concerns conventions that are somehow assigned to us in living our lives as social creatures. I have been pondering this little poem for a long time. It troubles me. It is partially true, as a general idea, but it is not the whole general truth about familial concern.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, let me mention as well that commitment to following the footsteps of others through the storms of life does not gaurantee virtue or success or safety. Following convention, as an abstract principle, is morally neutral. It promises neither good nor evil. For some conventions are evil and should be discarded. Slavery, to trot out one obvious example. Conventions, we could say, are good when put to good purposes, evil when put to evil purposes. Some conventions are so good that they are worth keeping against all enemies and defending with one's life. People disagree about which conventions are which, of course, which good, which evil. It takes great wisdom to know. It takes, too, in the end, a leap of faith, and often faith in other people. This is a matter I have written about in my on-line book &lt;em&gt;A Journal of Doubt&lt;/em&gt; (1991), especially "Part V," the last part. The immediate context of that book was a struggle with believing Christianity, but my discussion has more general application to the difficulties surrounding setting, finding, and following the wisdom of the past, which hardens at times into convention.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, I have wandered far afield from Agnes Lee's little poem. Perhaps I had better bring these reflections to an end.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-126753595532008934?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/04/agnes-lee-whos-that.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SedRThYPKnI/AAAAAAAAA0I/Z0fnScXP6eg/s72-c/YWmsu65.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-8681407549051383228</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-04-14T12:08:48.628-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>classicism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Fun</category><title>The Literary Cafeterias</title><description>I enjoyed a recent article on church shopping on &lt;em&gt;Slate&lt;/em&gt;, which can be found at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2211937/"&gt;http://www.slate.com/id/2211937/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SeTezSdOqGI/AAAAAAAAAz4/2-_5TcjIOC0/s1600-h/YWmsu64.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5324625632167897186" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 167px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 129px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SeTezSdOqGI/AAAAAAAAAz4/2-_5TcjIOC0/s200/YWmsu64.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The short piece brought to my mind the idea that people are also doing a lot of literary shopping in our culture. What people read and appreciate and admire is all up for grabs (as in a cafeteria, I suppose) -- and it seems that that will be so for a long time to come, if not to the very end of our civilization, which is becoming ever more of a mishmash with every passing year. This is one of the stumbling blocks to the favorable reception of Yvor Winters and his ideas, who seems so cocksure and dogmatic, so narrow ("Your choices here are boiled potatoes, a wedge of lettuce, and a slab of seared red meat!"), to those who first encounter him. As much of we like cafeteria-style religion, as described in the &lt;em&gt;Slate&lt;/em&gt; essay, we also appear to like the plentiful and varied offerings at our literary cafeterias. Do we not often read nowadays about High-Cult writers and critics and artists who like Low-Cult artworks, popular entertainments, of all sorts? It has become some sort of badge of honor to think both Shakespeare and, say, Elmore Leonard are great writers, or that both Bach and the Grateful Dead are supreme artists. We need a new Dwight MacDonald to study again this growing, mutating phenomenon of literary "cults."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There have been suggestions, particularly by James Howard Kuntzler (in his novel &lt;em&gt;World Made by Hand&lt;/em&gt; and his environmental study &lt;em&gt;The Long Emergency&lt;/em&gt;), that we will soon return to a land of villages. And then in what will our culture lie? But that seems a ways off yet. Americans and Europeans are simply deadset agsinst putting all their literary likes and needs and dislikes into one movement or organization or style or purpose. Literary classicism, let alone Winters's austere, demanding brand of it, won’t fulfill all the needs of all (or even many of many it seems), just as Catholicism or Dutch Calvinism or Eastern Orthodoxy or Southern Baptism do not any longer satisfy everyone or often even any single person, in whole or in part, or all the time. We shop around. We love shopping. We slum around, too (as the saying goes) -- and we love our slumming unabashedly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My merest hope is that artists will start or keep writing and people will keep reading and judge highly good classical poetry, fiction, and criticism, as they "slum" with the Rolling Stones or Merle Haggard or "The Dark Knight." That’s one of the overarching purposes of this blog: to draw enough classical “converts” for us to be able to offer a few classical entrées or tidbits -- maybe even a main course or two -- in the literary cafeterias.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-8681407549051383228?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/04/literary-cafeterias.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SeTezSdOqGI/AAAAAAAAAz4/2-_5TcjIOC0/s72-c/YWmsu64.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-8833351972031474596</guid><pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-07T14:20:56.120-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Philip Pain</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><title>Two Poems by Philip Pain</title><description>Winters wrote a few times about the critical ability of finding the best poems. So important was this, he opposed the gist and theories of the criticism of several other specific writers in his essays (and almost all modern literary culture in general) on the grounds that those specific critics under discussion were, in his judgment, unable to discern which poems are truly great.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sd44p6h_9CI/AAAAAAAAAzw/Uq-gGH-7STU/s1600-h/YWmsu63.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5322754102336156706" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 200px" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sd44p6h_9CI/AAAAAAAAAzw/Uq-gGH-7STU/s200/YWmsu63.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One of the discoveries Winters made of great poetry, a finding often considered bizarre by the few who know of it, was a small poem by an almost wholly unknown colonial American Philip Pain (who wrote in the 17th century), "Meditation 8" ("Scarce do I pass a day”), which Winters chose for the Winters Canon. I notice, nonetheless, that this sharp poem was chosen for the &lt;em&gt;Oxford Book of Short Verse&lt;/em&gt;, which offers many strong and insightful works (but no J.V. Cunningham -– the editors must be kidding!). Some years back I read all of Pain’s other verse, which is small in volume as we have it. Here are two poems from the &lt;em&gt;Meditations&lt;/em&gt;, which closely match the theme of "Meditation 8":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Meditation 54&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sons of men are prone to forget Death,&lt;br /&gt;And put it farre away from them, till breath&lt;br /&gt;Begins to tell them they must to the grave,&lt;br /&gt;And then, Oh what would they give but to have&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One year of respite? Help me, Lord, to know&lt;br /&gt;As I move here, so my time moves also.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Meditation 56&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The time will be, when we shall be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;no more:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;Where will our World be then? 'Twill be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;no more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;Where will our Comforts be? They'll be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;no more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;Where will our Friends be then? They'll be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;no more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lord, grant me then thy grace, lest that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;no more,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;Do seize upon me, and I be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;no more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No More! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;O solemn sound: this night I may&lt;br /&gt;Be struck by Death, and never see the day.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are well-struck pieces. In my opinion, they are, roughly, as good as most of the poetry in Pain’s &lt;em&gt;Meditations&lt;/em&gt;. Also in my judgment, it seems clear that it is only the poem that Winters singled out as great (or perhaps nearly great**) that truly stands as one of our best. Here it is again, as given in Winters’s 1968 anthology &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Quest for Reality&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Meditation 8&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scarce do I pass a day, but that I hear&lt;br /&gt;Some one or other's dead, and to my ear&lt;br /&gt;Me thinks it is no news. But oh! did I&lt;br /&gt;Think deeply on it, what it is to die,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My pulses all would beat, I should not be&lt;br /&gt;Drowned in this deluge of security.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do you see here? "Meditation 8" is very good stuff, better than the other work, which I believe is still pretty good poetry. In what lies the difference, the measure of greatness or near-greatness? That’s something no writer or critic has bothered to comment on since Winters wrote. It’s about time. In #56, in contrast to #8, Pain seems all too aware of Death -- what with those rather insistent and almost hysterical italics. The whole of the collection is an interesting study of the waxing and waning of that awareness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;** NOTE: I will re-asses the merit of "Meditation 8" some day as I work through my reëvaluation of the Winters Canon on this blog. I have no idea how long that might take.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-8833351972031474596?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/04/two-poems-by-philip-pain.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sd44p6h_9CI/AAAAAAAAAzw/Uq-gGH-7STU/s72-c/YWmsu63.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-709201999577518133</guid><pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-05-07T14:21:10.380-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>T. Sturge Moore</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Discoveries</category><title>A Poem by T. Sturge Moore</title><description>I wrote last of Elaine Showalter’s new book on American women novelists, saying in part that I would to see whether she had included any writers whom Yvor Winters or Janet Lewis considered significant or particularly valuable. Upon finding at my local Barnes and Noble that Showalter does not even mention Janet Lewis, does not discuss Catherine Gordon except for a lone comment about her civil war novel &lt;em&gt;None Shall Look Back&lt;/em&gt; as compared with Margaret Mitchell’s &lt;em&gt;Gone with the Wind&lt;/em&gt;, and includes no discussion of any other writers the Winterses found compelling besides Katherine Anne Porter -- that took all the wind out of my sails ever since.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have spent the last week or two just recovering from the blow that what I am doing with this blog has almost no meaning or importance. Yvor Winters and modern classicism are just too obscure, too long forgotten, too different to create a community of modern Wintersian classicists (non-academic classicists), despite a few essays that have shed a little light on his work (such as in the &lt;em&gt;New Criterion&lt;/em&gt;, David Yezzi’s 1997 piece and Adam Kirsch’s 2003 piece).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SdUomJFx12I/AAAAAAAAAzo/kJ-R3dH6j84/s1600-h/YWmsu62.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5320203170548406114" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 106px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 167px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SdUomJFx12I/AAAAAAAAAzo/kJ-R3dH6j84/s200/YWmsu62.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;But, hardheaded as I apparently am, I have come to feel compelled to try something new. I have been working through the Winters Canon, stalled as I am at Gascoigne for now. But I will continue that work in time. What I want to do now is add some poetry, especially the work of those authors whom Winters championed but who remain preposterously obscure. I will try to put up one little known poem a week from great or very good, but little known, poets whom Winters judged highly over the next year or so, while I try, meantime, to find some energy to labor on with my notes on current critical issues and my re-examination of the Winters Canon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Forthwith, let me begin this series with a poem from Thomas Sturge Moore, a British poet of the late 19th and early 20th century, whose work is included in the Winters Canon, but who receives precious little attention nowadays -- and who is usually deployed as an example of the folly of Yvor Winters (something to this effect: "How could he champion Moore over Years?! Hah Hah!"). Here’s one poem I consider very strong, a classical poem with strong rational content, but yet subtly powerful emotions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Value and Extent&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The more they peer through lenses at the night,&lt;br /&gt;The finer they split the rays of stellar light,&lt;br /&gt;The vaster their estimates&lt;br /&gt;Of distances, of movements, and of weights!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The stupor of this unimagined size&lt;br /&gt;Like a mole’s eyelid palls the keenest eyes.&lt;br /&gt;Yea, like unearthed moles,&lt;br /&gt;We, by truth tortured, writhe outside those holes…&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dark homely galleries of confined thought,&lt;br /&gt;Whose utmost reach must now be held as naught&lt;br /&gt;Compared with that grand space&lt;br /&gt;Which those unlike us may superbly grace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Substance more subtle, forms of comelier growth,&lt;br /&gt;Diviner minds, nothing but mental sloth&lt;br /&gt;Prevents me thus to bid&lt;br /&gt;Against the size revealed, with worth still hid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No reason can be urged why all this room&lt;br /&gt;Should hold no more life than, within a tomb,&lt;br /&gt;The first small worm that stirs;&lt;br /&gt;For all known life is less in the universe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Undreamable communications, sun&lt;br /&gt;To sun, may be the hourly routes they run,&lt;br /&gt;Swifter even than light,&lt;br /&gt;On business purer than a child’s delight!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that I can, like scornful Plato, fear&lt;br /&gt;Our fine things but poor copies of true worth;&lt;br /&gt;Proportioned to this earth,&lt;br /&gt;There thrill and shape small genuine glories here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This poem reminds me of another and favorite poem of mine (though it’s actually a prosetic musing), John Updike’s “Mites,” a poem about how insignificant humans are in light of the immensity of the universe, like the microscopic mites who live with us in our world. I couldn’t find that poem online, but it can be found in Updike’s &lt;em&gt;Collected Poems&lt;/em&gt;. It was published in the &lt;em&gt;New Yorker&lt;/em&gt; many years ago, which is where I first read it. On a similar theme, Moore’s is much the better poem and deserves and repays careful study. I find the simile on moles to be particularly striking and moving. I have felt at times, in the face of my own struggles with skepticism (as recounted in my online book &lt;em&gt;A Journal on Doubt&lt;/em&gt;) like a mole writhing outside its hole. Those brilliant lines are worth knowing well. But there are many more superb turns of phrase and strong lines in this compelling, insightful poem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Suggestions and contributions are welcome. Want to hear from a certain poet, or have a certain poem of your own with some classical bent, drop me a line.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-709201999577518133?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/04/poem-by-t-sturge-moore.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SdUomJFx12I/AAAAAAAAAzo/kJ-R3dH6j84/s72-c/YWmsu62.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-2208864452065109535</guid><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-03-11T12:02:00.224-07:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Edith Wharton</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>fiction</category><title>What About the Women</title><description>&lt;div&gt;Just a couple weeks back, here is how "Arts and Letters Daily" summarized the issue considered in a new book on American novels: "Why is it that novels about men in boats (&lt;em&gt;Moby Dick&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Huckleberry Finn&lt;/em&gt;) are treated as important, while ones about women in houses (&lt;em&gt;House of Mirth&lt;/em&gt;) are not?..." This was the Daily’s blurb to draw our attention to a review of Elaine Showalter's new book on the standing of American women writers in the standard canon, entitled &lt;em&gt;A Jury of Her Peers: American Women Writers From Anne Bradstreet to Annie Proulx&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Besides this book appearing to be a learned and interesting one, the Daily’s blurb drew my particular attention because Yvor Winters was one of the first critics to significantly praise the work of Edith Wharton (author of &lt;em&gt;The House of Mirth&lt;/em&gt;), in his essay on Henry James from the late 1930s, which was collected in his early book &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Maule's Curse&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; and later reprinted in &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;In Defense of Reason&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. Winters took a lot of heat for decades for his high judgment of Wharton’s &lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SbgJdmKqCKI/AAAAAAAAAzg/W4-UV0V3O38/s1600-h/YWmsu61.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5312006164549601442" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 126px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 200px" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SbgJdmKqCKI/AAAAAAAAAzg/W4-UV0V3O38/s200/YWmsu61.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;fiction, but for the past 20 years or so Wharton’s reputation has been rising so steadily that there is little of that sort of talk about Winters any longer (at least, critics no longer use the example of his evaluation of Wharton when they are on the attack against Winters). &lt;em&gt;The House of Mirth&lt;/em&gt; was not one of the her novels that stood out as great in Winters’s eyes. He focused rather on the high achievement of &lt;em&gt;The Age of Innocence&lt;/em&gt; and also mentioned &lt;em&gt;The Custom of the Country&lt;/em&gt;, both of which I also judge to be among the greatest novels in our language. Nonetheless, I agree that &lt;em&gt;Mirth&lt;/em&gt; is a superior novel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Winters had little to say about Twain, though I have to say that I can only guess why. He doesn’t appear to have focused on Twain in his American Literature classes, and no former student (there are not many left) has written about the omission that I am aware of. He did consider Melville to have written one of the three or four greatest novels ever in Moby Dick. So here was a poet-critic who could appreciate the work of a woman novelist, as Showalter appears to be urging us to do more appreciatively.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I’m not saying that these comments validate Winters in some way. I don’t expect Elaine Showalter to reflect a little glory onto Winters’s achievement because she happens to agree with him on this matter or any other. My point is simply that Winters had an admirable way of cutting through the fashions of his time, and his approach can help us cut through the fashions of our own time. If he could recognize the estimable excellence of Edith Wharton’s fiction long before most, perhaps it’s time that you find out why. For he might also have recognized the importance of other writers and works whom he championed but who still languish undeservedly in obscurity, such as Frederick Godard Tuckerman (especially in his truly great poem “The Cricket”) or even Wharton’s first novel &lt;em&gt;The Valley of Decision&lt;/em&gt;, which I consider almost as great as her two finest that I have mentioned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope to get a chance soon to skim Showalter’s book. I hope it contains some discussion of Winters’s wife, the superb novelist Janet Lewis. If anyone out there knows anything about this, let me know. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-2208864452065109535?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/03/what-about-women.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SbgJdmKqCKI/AAAAAAAAAzg/W4-UV0V3O38/s72-c/YWmsu61.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-4858383075413017340</guid><pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-03-04T14:00:24.210-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Helen Pinkerton</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Evaluation</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Winters Canon</category><title>Are There Any Greats Out There?</title><description>If there has been a more appropo article in a national publication for this Yvor Winters Blog, I haven't seen it. But there it was, a week ago, David Orr's meditation on poetic greatness in the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;New York Times Book Review&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. The article “On Poetry -- The Great(ness) Game” can be found at the Times's Books page:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/books/review/Orr-t.html?_r=1&amp;amp;ref=books"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/books/review/Orr-t.html?_r=1&amp;amp;ref=books&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sa7hycfBH1I/AAAAAAAAAzY/GcuOIm9yO_I/s1600-h/YWmsu60.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5309429267472392018" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 158px" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sa7hycfBH1I/AAAAAAAAAzY/GcuOIm9yO_I/s200/YWmsu60.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I give Orr credit. He is in there pitching, considering big questions, some of which were central to the literary criticism of Yvor Winters -- and many of which Winters took a lot of heat for back in his day. But since the piece is no more than one of those short &lt;em&gt;NYT Book Review&lt;/em&gt; articles, Orr can't explore any of the central issues of evaluation or greatness deeply enough, let alone resolve anything concerning the Canon. But the article does brush past many of the major issues of literary evaluation and canon-making that are germane to the work of Yvor Winters, even if David Orr doesn't fully understand or accept what's happening in literary culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, in the final paragraph of the short piece, Orr implies that he believes that the work of determining true "greatness" is important to the future of literature -- just as Yvor Winters once argued forcefully and I have contended time and again on this blog and in my book on Winters. The truly great poems give us models and standards, as well as enduring works of art that are important to personal and social development. Orr appears to agree strongly with this, though he can't quite figure out what makes for greatness beyond the acclaim of those who take unto themselves some sort of authority. The most disheartening, almost sickening, aspect of the essay is the claim that the only great poet we currently have on tap is... I can barely say the name... is... John Ashbery. Oh ugh!! I cannot think offhand of a worse poet to serve as a model and a standard. Ashbery is far from great. He is, indeed, nearly worthless as a literary artist and, further, a model of bad poetry and unconscionably shoddy writing. Ashbery is probably everything the classicist wishes to see wither away (though I have little doubt that his influence will remain strong for a good long time to come).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When such decisions are made, such as whether Ashbery is great (I wince at the thought), is the point at which canon-making becomes extremely important and what this blog is nearly all about. I am trying to get Yvor Winters's modern classicist views to receive an appreciative hearing among enough people that some sort of new enclave can develop in which modern classical poetry, fiction, and criticism will be written, appreciated, and furthered. If other people want to proclaim and follow the false "greatness" of John Ashbery, we classicists can only lament the inevitable loss of yet more talent and time and effort to the nearly worthless literature that the idea that a poet like Ashbery is great will surely help give rise to. But I can't worry about all that. And no other classicist should either, I believe. It's just the way things are and will remain for a long, long time to come, despite Winters's foolish yet confident predictions that soon all the errors of modernism would be recognized and pass away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, Orr speaks of poetry that takes a person's breath away as a measure of greatness, the truly great works that seem so vastly important in one sense or another. William Carlos Williams's enraptured comments on Eliot's "The Waste Land" came to Orr's mind. For the classicist there has been little of late that would even feign to take the breath away. But I am pondering whether Helken Pinkerton's superb blank-verse poems in &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Taken in Faith&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; might some day, soon, become one of the models, a standard of modern classicism. They have been almost taking my breath away. Please, please, tell me about anything else out there that you think might achieve this kind of importance. I have been reading Pinkerton, Adam Kirsch, Bill Coyle, William Logan, David Yezzi, Kenneth Fields, the Australian Judith Wright, of course the very fine Dick Davis, and a few others. They are doing (or did do) some good work that really is poetry and very worthwhile. But I haven't yet read anything great. Does anyone have something that truly will take the breath away, will astound most anyone who reads it (or at least any classicist)? Please tell me -- tell us all!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-4858383075413017340?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/03/are-there-any-greats-out-there.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/Sa7hycfBH1I/AAAAAAAAAzY/GcuOIm9yO_I/s72-c/YWmsu60.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-8577965469706805385</guid><pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-02-27T13:21:21.377-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent poetry worth reading</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wintersians</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Poetic Form</category><title>Materials and Time Mostly Wasted</title><description>I suppose it’s about time to take on the wearisome chore of discussing Robert Hass’s &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Time and Materials&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, the book of poetry that won the Pulitzer for poetry in 2007. I know, I know, I’m a little slow in taking up this matter. But if the book is important and valuable, then a review should matter as much now as it did a year ago, at least. (And if it’s highly important, it should matter 50 or 500 years from now, right?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SahXIH1_2rI/AAAAAAAAAzI/EUhkHCMv22U/s1600-h/YWmsu59.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5307587957912230578" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 134px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SahXIH1_2rI/AAAAAAAAAzI/EUhkHCMv22U/s200/YWmsu59.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;You may well guess that I didn’t find much to admire about Hass’s latest work. (Does any classicist out there? Please let me know, one way or another. The photo is of Hass reading from the book.) So why, you might ask, bother with this dreary chore at all? Only because Hass was once a student of Yvor Winters’s and has thought himself competent to speak about Winters from time to time in print, even though he has distorted and misrepresented Winters’s ideas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what do I think of his prize-winning collection? Very little. There are a few strong turns of phrase, a few good lines, some snatches of good prose (broken into, in the common affectation of our literary culture, lines), some dimly memorable moments, but not a single wholly successful poem -- and certainly not one good or great poem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is Hass’s his first collection since stepping down as U.S. Poet Laureate. For the first time that I know of in Hass’s career he makes poetry and politics bedfellows. But &lt;em&gt;Time and Materials&lt;/em&gt; is a mish-mash. It stirs together occasional pieces, imitations, a couple translations, some long narrative poems that are Hass's trademark, and a couple of prose poems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won’t cover much in the book, but I think the best writing in this slim volume is on politics. In the face of the controversial Iraq War that George IV dragged this country into, Hass has clearly decided not to keep his poetry free from political argument. I find this commendable, even though William Logan challenged this in his review of the book in the &lt;em&gt;New Criterion&lt;/em&gt;. At least Hass is trying to communicate some ideas clearly and sharply. When it comes to the four anti-war poems in &lt;em&gt;Time and Materials&lt;/em&gt;, they do “fall like bombshells,” as some reviewer wrote, in the latter half of the book, dropping upon readers quite unexpectedly, given Hass’s previous books. Other pieces take up other political causes, such as the human cost of global finance. Many of these poems stuck in my mind, however briefly. The most compelling, I thought, is "Bush's War," a long meditation on innocence lost to violence, a poem which shows Hass trying to write polemically:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I typed the brief phrase, "Bush's War,"&lt;br /&gt;At the top of a sheet of white paper,&lt;br /&gt;Having some dim intuition of a poem&lt;br /&gt;Made luminous by reason that would,&lt;br /&gt;Though I did not have them at hand,&lt;br /&gt;Set the facts out in an orderly way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This isn’t poetry, nor even verse, in my judgment, and it still appears that Hass is skeptical of poetry that has this kind of subject matter. He admits to arguing from facts he doesn't possess, but at least he’s trying to think, rather than to offer more of his customary blather about the fragments of his trivial personal life, which are ever drifting along the brackish, sluggish stream of his experience. True, his call to the light of "reason" even seems to stir with sarcasm, and the poem is written in very loose, almost wholly inappropriate language, a flaccid, mealy prose. But, as I say, he does take a shot at an important subject and at a rational argument of some sort:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The rest of us have to act like we believe&lt;br /&gt;The dead women in the rubble of Baghdad&lt;br /&gt;Who did not cast a vote for their deaths&lt;br /&gt;Or the raw white of the exposed bones&lt;br /&gt;In the bodies of their men or their children&lt;br /&gt;Are being given the gift of freedom&lt;br /&gt;Which is the virtue of the injured us.&lt;br /&gt;It's hard to say which is worse, the moral&lt;br /&gt;Sloth of it or the intellectual disgrace. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As William Logan pointed out, Hass sounds like he’s lecturing. But contrary to Logan, I find this something to take seriously. Nonetheless, Hass clearly hasn’t thought too well about situation he describes and judges. For every war, just or unjust, leaves in its wake many dead and suffering who did not deserve to suffer or die. Yet honorable and virtuous human beings have judged that some acts of mass governmental violence are worth the cost in lost lives and human suffering, as is the common judgment concerning the Second World War and the American Civil War, to consider only two examples. Hass shows little sign that he has a mind that can help us get beyond liberal cant, however much I happen to agree with the cant as applied to this one instance. Can Hass think less slothfully than the prosecutors of the Iraq War, think deeply about a difficult subject? It doesn’t seem so. But at least he’s doing a little bit of thinking through poetry, for goodness sake. For that I applaud him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what of the poetry in those lines I just quoted? They have a nice rhythm and several sharp turns of phrase. They give the feel that the poem has structure because of the stack of prepositional phrases that Hass erects and because all the lines end at natural grammatical breaks. But there is no meter. Overall, in contrast to a lot of Hass’s poetry, these lines have the feel of near-verse. They certainly are better than a lot of the trivial blather in this book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hass may wish he'd tried thinking in poetry a lot sooner than now. "Bush's War" and the similar political poems in this volume give attention to World War II, Vietnam, and the Korean War. These poems are fast-paced and disjunctive, lurching from horrific moment to horrific moment with little pause where contemplation can focus. As "Bush's War" reels from Nazi death camps to 9/11 to Iraq, Hass laments "a taste for power/ That amounts to contempt for the body." He seems to be fighting not political war-hawks or the moral dangers of state violence, but the destruction of physical being itself. But, alas, and predictably, you can’t quite be sure (a typical weakness). Still, at least, for me, he’s fighting for something, anything!, in verse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will only turn to one other poem amid all the very minor works to be found in &lt;em&gt;Time and Materials&lt;/em&gt;. This is the only poem that has really struck me, though it is a prosetic musing, not a poem. It’s a prose narrative:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When I was a child my father every morning --&lt;br /&gt;Some mornings, for a time, when I was ten or so,&lt;br /&gt;My father gave my mother a drug called antabuse.&lt;br /&gt;It makes you sick if you drink alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;They were little yellow pills. He ground them&lt;br /&gt;In a glass, dissolved them in water, handed her&lt;br /&gt;The glass and watched her closely while she drank.&lt;br /&gt;It was the late nineteen-forties, a time,&lt;br /&gt;A social world, in which the men got up&lt;br /&gt;And went to work, leaving the women with the children. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a cruel story, confessional and disturbing. You dearly want to know whether Hass has something important to say about this material, though I was worried as I read it that the poem would fall flat. The father here is a vague figure, someone of cold practicality whom we can’t quite understand without more information. But just when Hass might begin to explore his mother’s drunken benders, which have given rise to his father’s treatment of her, Hass calls up rather, with supreme pretentiousness, the scene of Aeneas escaping the flames of Troy with his father astride his shoulders. After that nonsense comes the denouement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Slumped in a bathrobe, penitent and biddable,&lt;br /&gt;My mother at the kitchen table gagged and drank,&lt;br /&gt;Drank and gagged. We get our first moral idea&lt;br /&gt;About the world -- about justice and power,&lt;br /&gt;Gender and the order of things -- from somewhere. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whuh? you stammer. That’s it? That’s what he has learned, what he wants us to learn from the wrenching scene he describes at length in this poem. What a waste. Hass appeared to building toward something. But typical of his work, perhaps typical of most modern poetry, the poem almost makes a flatulent sound as it falls flat, as Hass refuses to offer anything truly insightful about an arresting and compelling subject.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As usual -- as is typical of modern art, in fact -- Hass seems to expect us, his readers, to decide what to make of this disturbing family story, thereby forsaking his role as the visionary of life that we should expect our artists to strive to be. The poem takes a typically diffident, weak-kneed approach. Yet I give credit to Hass for trying, however feebly, to fathom big ideas, like justice and power. He even looks at what we now call “gender.” These aren’t trivial themes, though William Logan said in his &lt;em&gt;New Criterion&lt;/em&gt; review that he thinks little of them, especially the matter of gender (“What was a harrowing family portrait finishes as a lecture on gender”). But to my mind the problem is not that Hass wants to explore the issue of “gender” in light of this old family incident; it’s that he finds almost nothing to say. The lecture is empty. Hass is such a meager thinker, at least as he is willing to reveal in poetry, that he has no compelling insight to give us based upon the striking and valuable anecdote. What are we to think about gender issues in light of this anecdote? What gender issues is he even talking about? In the poem, Hass betrays no pity for his father, the man guilty of a terrible crime, who did not want to leave his son with a drunk. Or is there? Are we expected to feel pity for the father as well as the mother? Well, you can feel any way you wish about anything in the poem. What does Hass want us to think? What evaluation of the theme are we meant to take with us, what vision of life? Hass leaves it to us to answer such questions, another instance of one of the most typical and worst errors of modern writing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The writing in this poem isn’t stupid. It’s just weak. It’s unconscionably hesitant. True poetry, great poetry, seeks so much more. Readers should want more from their poets. I want poets who declaim, who are hortatory, who’ve got something to say, agree or disagree. They should seek to enlighten us, guide us to understanding. That was what Yvor Winters was after, a point I could discuss at quite great length. Hass seemed about to let go and really lecture. But he seems to have locked himself in the prison of modernism, where all he was allowed to do was mumble his way to a close.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As many have pointed out, poetry for Robert Hass has started to become a matter of conscience. But he has not found a way to get past the late modernist conventions that flatten and weaken his thought. And what he’s writing, all in all, is not poetry, except by self-definition. It’s prose, or what I call prosetic musing. It’s often not even good prose, as William Logan also pointed out in his review. The syntax is badly wobbly. The movement from thought to thought is often pointless, sometimes even silly. Modifiers dangle and phrases are strung out. Logan seems to think that Hass is avoiding the “poetry of witness” -- Logan considers this deadly contemporary genre -- to write the “poetry of lecture.” Contrary to William Logan, whom I read and respect, I wouldn’t mind some lecturing, if the lectures were sound and well executed in good verse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what, finally, of the much-praised descriptive passages of &lt;em&gt;Time and Materials&lt;/em&gt;? One poem that received a good deal of attention, “State of the Planet” (yet another polemic of sorts) starts with one of Hass’s pastoral moments that he is so fond of:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;         Through blurred glass&lt;br /&gt;Gusts of a Pacific storm rocking a huge, shank-needled&lt;br /&gt;Himalayan cedar. Under it a Japanese plum&lt;br /&gt;Throws off a vertical cascade of leaves the color&lt;br /&gt;Of skinned copper. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not poetry. It’s descriptive prose. But things actually get better when he starts droning on about chlorofluorocarbons, passages which William Logan finds weak. He preaches a bit about the destruction of the ozone layer, which ain’t a bad thing to write about (though probably not the best subject matter for poetry to get a grip on). Logan thinks this kind of thing is just plain boring, the preaching that is. But I rather think, again, that Hass’s problem is that he has nothing to say, nothing that even has a shot at persuading us. It’s mostly the usual clichés, jumbled together and boiled until they’re turned into a grayish pulp. Another poem offers a potted history of aerial bombardment in Vietnam and another an account of the horrors of the Korean War. Neither is a poem. The piles of facts are not properly organized or explored. Hass seems to want them to serve as parables. But he winds up with muddles that fail to advance our understanding of any of these matters one whit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's disappointing that Hass didn’t accomplish more with this new effort to infuse poetry with politics. There are many other poems in &lt;em&gt;Time and Materials&lt;/em&gt; on other matters, but I don’t wish to take up any more of them, none of which are very distinguished. He offers poems about poetic impotence, and some meditations on time the destroyer and time the error-maker. There are other poems about vague boomer disappointments. Overall, there’s not much to any of it. I don’t think the book is worth reading. But if you want to put yourself through some frustration, go ahead. Rather quickly, I think, Hass’s musings in this book will be forgotten.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-8577965469706805385?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/02/materials-and-time-mostly-wasted.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SahXIH1_2rI/AAAAAAAAAzI/EUhkHCMv22U/s72-c/YWmsu59.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-2372570406469705148</guid><pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-02-19T08:11:44.072-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Aesthetics</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>classicism</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>American Literature</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>fiction</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Art and Life</category><title>Nabokov the Trickster</title><description>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZ2C_f_hrpI/AAAAAAAAAy4/eHhkMt5_nWo/s1600-h/YWmsu58.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5304539963543629458" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 152px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 200px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZ2C_f_hrpI/AAAAAAAAAy4/eHhkMt5_nWo/s200/YWmsu58.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I’ve been getting a big kick out of all the ruminations upon the meaning and importance of Vladimir Nabokov’s &lt;em&gt;Lolita &lt;/em&gt;lately, all attendant upon the 50th anniversary of its American publication. This novel’s reputation as great seems to be rising ever higher and stronger at the same time so many critics claim that it has no purpose beyond the pleasures of its prose and the panache of its narrative. The latest group of essayists have been gnashing their teeth over the problem of &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt;’s subject (as opposed to theme), the seduction of an adolescent girl by a lustful middle-aged man. Is &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt; encouraging or approving such behavior? Almost uniformly, the critics are claiming that the novel’s subject is out of bounds, as they defend the novel from the view of aestheticism, of some more or less vague notion of art for art’s sake. &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt;, so go these new apologies, is about the beautiful way Nabokov tells the story, not about any moral or social or political ideas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nabokov, of course, is mostly to blame. Endeavoring to be the contrarian in most things, and as well to play along with the aestheticist theories and practices of many a modernist, he said in a 1962 interview for the BBC that he had only aesthetic pleasure in mind when writing &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Why did I write any of my books, after all? For the sake of pleasure, for the sake of the difficulty. I have no social purpose, no moral message; I've no general ideas to exploit, I just like composing riddles with elegant solutions. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This, of course, is obvious nonsense, a playful tall tale (though there is the possibility that it’s self-delusion). I can’t say for sure what Nabokov intended by such inane comments, but I take them as funny, and it has always surprised and amused me that critics have been weeping and gnashing their teeth ever since to force themselves to believe in Nabokov’s rascally ruse. &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt; is -- obviously! -- a deeply moral book, as every essayist I have read in the recent round has been forced to admit by the unambiguous nature of the case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My favorite among the recent essays that have come out is “Reading Lolita in Alabama” by Allen Barra on Salon, which can be found at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/books/review/2005/12/22/nabokov/print.html"&gt;http://www.salon.com/books/review/2005/12/22/nabokov/print.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Baara thinks Nabokov's masterpiece is still dangerous -- but not for reasons we usually think. Like hundreds who have already joined this endless queue of the self-deceived, Barra tries to force himself to believe Nabokov’s stunt:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;This is the nicest way I can think of to tell Nafisi [author of &lt;em&gt;Reading Lolita in Tehran&lt;/em&gt;] that Nabokov didn't give a damn about anything -- politics, feminism, humanism -- that she [Nafisi] does, at least not in any of his fiction. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah, such have been the tired and tiresome claims from many critics, claims that are so evidently false that they read as ludicrous. But, of course, Barra is simply paraphrasing Nabokov’s own words:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I don't give a damn for the group, the community, the masses, and so forth... there can be no question that what makes a work of fiction safe from larvae and rust is not its social importance but its art, only its art. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That’s from an interview in &lt;em&gt;Playboy&lt;/em&gt; magazine in 1964, in which he went on, “I have neither the intent nor the temperament to be a moralist or satirist.” Mediocrity, Nabokov thought, thrives on ideas, by which, as he told Time magazine in 1969, he meant "general ideas, the big, sincere ideas which permeate a so-called great novel, and which, in the inevitable long run, amount to bloated topicalities stranded like dead whales."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Putting all this together, you wind up with the confusions and hare-brained theories like those described in Gerald Graff’s fine 1979 book, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Literature Against Itself&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, which I will discuss below and encourage my readers to find and read. But was Nabokov confused or joking? Nabokov said he was intent on writing a “serious” book, as he told his French publisher in a well-known letter. So he must have been very serious about this beautiful telling of a story, whose content is incidental to the manner of the telling. Perhaps Jacques Barzun, in &lt;em&gt;From Dawn to Decadence&lt;/em&gt;, makes the most sense of such ideas in his discussion of the concept of art for art’s sake. Barzun’s sharp insight is that the concept of art for art’s sake is better expressed by the phrase “art for life’s sake.” That is, the aestheticist writer endeavors to seal himself off from ordinary reality, as it were, because his writing reveals or creates a higher reality of some sort, a reality of almost religious importance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The confusions and incoherence of aestheticism frustrated Yvor Winters. Perhaps his most trenchant discussion of the matter, among several occasions he wrote on it, is in the essay “John Crowe Ransom, or God Without Thunder,” from the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anatomy of Nonsense&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (1943), which was reprinted in &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;In Defense of Reason&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, which remains in print. In that essay he chided Ransom for believing that a serious work of literature like “The Tragedy of Macbeth” was about Shakespeare’s “love” of the subject matter, rather than an effort to communicate a full understanding of that dire subject matter, the commission of the crime of regicide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I say, one of the finest works on the issue of aestheticism I have come across is &lt;em&gt;Literature Against Itself&lt;/em&gt;, especially in Graff’s first chapter, “Criticism, Culture, and Unreality.” Graff was a student of Winters’s at Stanford in the mid-’60s. He went on to do some original critical work that has bearing on modern classicism, and I recommend him highly. (In recent years later, I pause to note, Graff has sought to find ways to learn from and find affinities with postmodernism and literary politics -- efforts that I find laudable, if difficult.) Believing that aestheticism and related theories trivialize literature, Graff incisively delineated the twin concepts of the artist as a “hypersensitive weakling” and a “revolutionary prophet.” Graff found this, naturally, in Wilde, who talked like Nabokov’s prophet:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Oscar Wilde uses formalist rhetoric when he says in the Decay of Lying that “art never expresses anything but itself,” and that “art finds her own perfection with, and not outside of, herself. She is not to be judged by any external standard of resemblance. She is a veil rather than a mirror.” He switches to visionary rhetoric when says in the same essay that “life imitates art far more than art imitates life,” a view which defines art neither as a veil &lt;em&gt;nor&lt;/em&gt; a mirror but as a mode of seeing which reorganizes life in its own terms. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note the strong similarities of Wilde’s theorizing to Nabokov’s. Graff’s book, as the title makes plain, is an important, if long overlooked, effort to show that such views played a significant role in literature coming to be “against itself,” striving to undo its own purposes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The critics battling to cram Nabokov’s novel into the art-for-art’s-sake box need to look at Winters and Graff to make much better sense of &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt;. Just as Shakespeare’s portrayal of Macbeth, as Winters argued long ago, is not intended to express “love” for regicide -- or even for the telling of a story about regicide -- so Nabokov’s portrayal of Humbert Humbert’s grisly yet titillating seduction of a girl is not intended to make us “love” the seduction of adolescent girls or the mere telling of a story of such seduction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps it’s time to take Nabokov for what he showed himself to be when he theorized on his own art, a trickster. Yeah, I know the idea of the trickster has become a new high-brow cliché, arising from the interesting work of mythologist Joseph Campbell, but I am going to use the idea because it’s useful. Nabokov wrote one of the most moral novels of the modernist movement, a scathing indictment of ethical confusion and egoism. Let’s enjoy a good laugh at his playful deceits, but then let’s use Winters to get down to the business of understanding what Nabokov achieved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, is anyone interested in what Winters thought or might have thought of &lt;em&gt;Lolita&lt;/em&gt;? He never wrote a single word about Nabokov that I am aware of, though they both taught at Stanford for a short while in 1941. I think Winters would have found Nabokov’s style fragmented and wasteful and his theme improperly developed. More importantly, he would have had very serious doubts about the use of an unreliable narrator. This matter is related to the issues discussed in the essay “Problems for the Modern Critic of Literature.” Using a narrator like Humbert, I believe Winters would have said, forced Nabokov to write less well than he could have and provided him with no sound way to generalize his theme or fix what he wished to communicate about the complex experience of lust. In general, I think Winters would have said, the author who uses an unreliable narrator has no means to reach a final judgment of his subject matter, which amounts to an abdication of the writer’s primary responsibility and a short-circuiting of the chief source of literature’s power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do any classicists out there think Lolita is a great novel? I’ll hold off on revealing my own judgment for now.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-2372570406469705148?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/02/nabokov-trickster.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZ2C_f_hrpI/AAAAAAAAAy4/eHhkMt5_nWo/s72-c/YWmsu58.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-7471926487117117131</guid><pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-02-12T08:38:35.693-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Recent Writings on Winters</category><title>What I Hope to Work On - Part 2</title><description>Here’s some more articles I want to get to. These also directly concern Winters as poet or critic:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;+++&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. &lt;a href="http://www.poets.org/"&gt;poets.org&lt;/a&gt; has twice featured a piece on Hart Crane and Yvor Winters by a writer named Tom Donnelly, whom I do not know. The short essay first was posted in 2006, but was reposted as a lead article for the site again recently. I need to give that piece some attention, particularly since it is distinctly favors Crane’s wild and woolly poetics to the disparagement of Winters’s classicism. But maybe I’ve got a few things to learn. We’ll see.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12. David Orr, a poetry critic of some renown (meaning in literary culture), reviewed Thom Gunn’s &lt;em&gt;Selected Poems of Winters&lt;/em&gt;, briefly, in the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; some years ago (2002, I think). I’d like to take a look at the last look at Winters’s poetry in a national publication.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZRQY6HfDZI/AAAAAAAAAyw/40lrx8jmGVY/s1600-h/Excog61.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5301951050169650578" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 91px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZRQY6HfDZI/AAAAAAAAAyw/40lrx8jmGVY/s200/Excog61.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;13. In a small journal named &lt;em&gt;Gulf Coast&lt;/em&gt;, some poet named Kathleen Osip wrote about Winters as being a symbol of all that she is against as a member of the &lt;em&gt;avant garde&lt;/em&gt;. This piece came out in 2006. It was an amusing essay that deserves a look, as genially negative as it is toward Winters’s art and ideas. (The photo if a shot of a pond in a Michigan woodlot. It is purely decorative, and, thus, an artistic weakness, do you think?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;14. A couple years ago, there was a piece on Hart Crane and Winters in &lt;em&gt;Poetry&lt;/em&gt; (the 11/06 issue). I surely have to get to that soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15. Issue 3 of the now-defunct Canadian journal &lt;em&gt;New Compass&lt;/em&gt;, from several years ago, was the journal’s "Yvor Winters Issue." It contained several insightful essays that I have yet to discuss here. I believe that the issue is still posted online. Sadly, the &lt;em&gt;New Compass&lt;/em&gt; has ceased publication. Its editors have moved on to other matters. Though it published only four issues in the early 2000s, it offered an array of fine criticism and commentary in addition to its work in studying Yvor Winters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;16. Jan Schreiber, a poet and reviewer, wrote on Winters some years back in an essay entitled “The Absolutist.” As near as I can tell, this piece is a review of the poetry and criticism of Winters. It was published in the online journal &lt;em&gt;Contemporary Poetry Review&lt;/em&gt; in 2004. I still need to get my hands on the piece and discuss it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;17. In the journal &lt;em&gt;Literary Imagination,&lt;/em&gt; William Edinger, unknown to me, published an essay entitled “Yvor Winters and Generality: A Classical/Neoclassical Perspective.” The piece looks at some features of literary generality in the poetry and criticism of Yvor Winters through the language and methods of classical and neoclassical criticism. That sounds worthwhile, if a little stuffy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;18. A good 10 years ago, poet Alan Shapiro published a memoir essay, entitled “Fanatics,” on his attraction to the critical principles of Yvor Winters. I’ve mentioned the essay a couple times, but I really want to give it a close look at some point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;19. I haven’t found the time to get to &lt;em&gt;Stanford Magazine&lt;/em&gt;’s short articles on Yvor Winters at the time of the centenary of his birth (2000). One was by Ken Fields, another -- a scathing attack on Winters’s teaching methods -- by Richard Elman. On VHS, I also have a couple of the talks given during the event (one by Dana Gioia, for example). These might be nice to discuss.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;20. Finally, some journal going by the name of &lt;em&gt;RALPH&lt;/em&gt; published an amusing piece on the worst poetry of 2003. Yvor Winters’s Selected Poems was chosen as the honoree. I would like to give that short piece the once over some time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;+++&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are the writings I know about. Please let me know of other writings on Winters that you know of, and I will add them to my list of duties. Or you can write something for this blog yourself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a post to come soon, I will list writings that are in some way closely related to Winters poetry or criticism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZRPzbWTA3I/AAAAAAAAAyo/CawhZ8vOIho/s1600-h/Excog61.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-7471926487117117131?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-i-hope-to-work-on-part-2.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SZRQY6HfDZI/AAAAAAAAAyw/40lrx8jmGVY/s72-c/Excog61.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34405376.post-3859561205934062260</guid><pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-02-06T13:48:59.616-08:00</atom:updated><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Mimesis</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Helen Pinkerton</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>Wintersians</category><category domain='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#'>T.S. Eliot</category><title>"Strange" Essays, T.S. Eliot, Helen Pinkerton, and More</title><description>James Matthew Wilson, the Treasonous Clerk (at “First Principles”), has written a couple comments in reply to a previous post, but his latest comment seems to require rather a reply by post than by further comment. I have reposted Wilson’s most recent comment below the following reply to it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;James: You make an unexpected turn here to Winters’s strange essay “Problems for the Modern Critic of Literature,” which, for readers who aren’t all that knowledgeable about Winters, can be found in the readily available book &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Function of Criticism&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. I’m not exactly sure why you make this turn in this context. We were discussing the attractions of Winters’s critical ideas to religious people. What does this subject have to do with Winters’s unique theory of genres (using the word “unique” in its strict sense -– the essay truly has NO parallel that I am aware of). Perhaps you can explain, though it might not matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SYyt_a2KnNI/AAAAAAAAAyY/cSZ_b3E31Ds/s1600-h/YWmsu57.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5299802166558104786" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 200px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 150px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SYyt_a2KnNI/AAAAAAAAAyY/cSZ_b3E31Ds/s200/YWmsu57.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;But as to that essay itself, what I mean by calling it “strange” is that the singular ideas discussed therein have drawn not a single advocate in the past 60 years and few, if any, admirers. Indeed, no single critic, Wintersian or otherwise, has tried to build out from or improve on those eccentric but compelling ideas. I can think of no poet or critic, past or present, who has written sympathetically about Winters, to any degree, who also has endeavored to defend the “Problems” essay in whole or in large part. Further, only one obscure essay that I am aware of directly and thoroughly assesses the “Problems” essay (“Yvor Winters and the Antimimetic Prejudice,” Jonas Barish, &lt;em&gt;New Literary History&lt;/em&gt;, Spring, 1971 [the photo is of a modern staging of one of the ancient Greek tragedies, which have occasioned much discussion of mimesis]). Barish’s nearly 40-year-old piece was almost entirely negative. I have long wanted to address Barish’s take, but haven’t found the time, alas. For I have so many defenses of Winters to throw up on other fronts, I have found it improvident to try to defend matters, as of now, universally rejected -- even by Wintersians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, let me state, briefly, that I believe that Winters’s ideas in the “Problems” essay can be tweaked in such a way that those ideas might become more appealing to those who love and think highly of epic poetry, fiction, and drama. In my judgment, the real issue for Winters, an issue that, perhaps, he didn’t fully comprehend himself, was that writers in those “weaker” genres have not discovered or created sound ways of making general evaluations of their subject matter, with the ultimate goal of increasing our understanding, which, as Winters argued at length in the essay, stands as the final cause of literature. By rethinking the specific ideas in the essay in light of its more general, foundational concepts, I believe Winters’s objectives in the “Problems” essay will make greater sense and have much greater appeal. They have great appeal for me, at the least. Nevertheless, not a single writer has tried to back Winters up on his general approach to literary genres or on any of the specific ideas, leaving its defenders (or defender, meaning me alone) almost nothing to work with in developing a new approach to the essay. Still, as I imply, I agree with Winters quite widely and deeply on the ideas found in the “Problems” essay. As a consequence, I suppose it falls to me to try to defend a foundational approach to the “Problems” essay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On yet another subject you raised, I’m not quite sure why you think Winters “loathed” Eliot (a word that I think offhand characterizes his view too strongly), but I am interested in your fleshing out your views on that. My view has been that Eliot’s writings, meaning in Winters’s judgment, were a rag-bag of insights, willy-nilly opinions and half-thought-out notions, in both poetry and criticism. The poems don’t add up to wholes, and this was for Winters a central, urgent concern -- as it is my own concern, if I may say. Winters prized and hoped to foster comprehensive, fully coherent evaluations in works of literature (all the parts working together as fully, properly, and rationally as possible). At the same time, he grew frustrated that so many writers at one time thought of Eliot as a sound and systematic thinker, rather than an occasionally erudite and interesting muser, a recorder of myriad learned notions and sparkling opinions. Winters wanted to get writers to put Eliot in proper perspective, albeit in his sharp way. (I add once again, though, that Winters’s “sharp way” was hardly any sharper than many reassessments of all sorts of writers and critics by hundreds of critics throughout the 20th century. I will probably never understand why Winters gets tagged as exceptionally harsh in the environment created by the endless literary wars of the past 12 decades, and more.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will say, though, that I disagree with Winters at points, about critical ideas and about individual judgments. What do you disagree with him most about, James? I’m very interested to know. I respect your judgments and opinions a great deal. I might disagree with you, but I am eager to reconsider my views in the light of the thoughts of someone I find learned, important, and worth careful study.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pinkerton’s recent work is astounding. The blank verse meditations collected in the book &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Taken in Faith&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; are, I judge (I am being cautious still), great poetry. I am almost sure that they should be part of the Winters Canon, standing among the very finest works of poetry ever written in the English language. John Baxter has published a study on her verse meditations on paintings, which are very fine poems, no question. But it is in the several blank verse meditations that Pinkerton reaches greatness, as I provisionally believe. I hope you’re going to write about them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, as to Eliot’s “Four Quartets,” I can hardly see any potential way to agree with you. I think there are passages of good poetry in them. But as a whole, they are badly lacking in overall coherence and generalized evaluative power. They are worth reading, don’t mistake my views on that. But they exhibit serious weaknesses. I don’t want to say more, so that my readers, few as they are, can feel at ease in studying the matter for themselves without fear of my jumping on them. (Apparently, I come across as too combative myself. A couple of critics who have interested in Winters won’t even write to me any longer just because I happen to disagree with them about certain things and am willing to defend my views, calmly and rationally. I don’t think I have ever been harsh, but people appear to be think differently. To me, they seem awfully touchy.) I truly am interested to hear why you think the "Quartets" are so great.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, would you call yourself a Wintersian, James? Well, maybe you should save an answer to that for some later post. That’s a big question that begs, perhaps, a big answer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;+++&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2/03/09 comment from James Matthew Wilson:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#993300;"&gt;What is so rewarding in Winters is his effort to ensure that a reader knows why Winters believes what he does, and judges as he does. One senses his "foundationalism," that is, his belief that beliefs have foundation to the extent that they are true, and that such foundation can be explored and articulated. He was not an "emotivist," as Alasdair MacIntyre would put it: one's judgments are accountable in terms that are not reducible to a mere, inarguable emotional preference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Winters's fascinating theory of literary genre in The Function of Criticism is the great challenge to any of his admirers. I admire the consistency, and see that he has discovered some truths about literature in general. I don't agree with most of the conclusions there drawn, because the premises on which they are based seem weak. I know of no other modern critic, however, about whom one could make such an assertion. Most of them confuse or conflate their premises with their conclusions; or, rather, they hide the former and pass off the latter with a kind of erratic, pretentious swagger. Such is what Winters clearly loathed about Eliot (though I think Winters misperceived the rationale behind Eliot's writings, and consequently couldn't read them properly).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a general point, let me note that it is not for being "excessively judgmental" that one ought to condemn anyone. Judging is what the mind does to come to know what it perceives. If one finds Winters shrill -- and in a few cases, I do find him so -- it is not because he has judged "too much" but because he has judged a premise true without adequately entertaining possible objections to the premise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An update: a) the Pinkerton essay is away, and I intend to pitch a second one to another journal, because her work requires more attention, even within the scope of what I wish to say about it; and b) Finlay does deserve an essay of his own, and I'll provide it within the next two years; finally, c) Finlay clearly had immense admiration for Winters; what he criticized in Winters was a "gnostic" tendency that is evident in several poems. As Pinkerton has argued in an essay responding to Finlay, this tendency is evidently not present in other Winters poems. It would take a great deal of space to hash out who is correct; I'll get 'round to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P.S. surely Auden qualifies as a major Christian poet, though no poem of the Twentieth Century can compare with Four Quartets. It is the one long poem of the last century that is unquestionably a permanent addition to the life of mankind -- and of course it is about Christian belief, experience, and theology.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34405376-3859561205934062260?l=yvorwinters.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://yvorwinters.blogspot.com/2009/02/strange-essays-ts-eliot-helen-pinkerton.html</link><author>benkilpela@gmail.com (Ben Kilpela)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aL5XIgD-v-s/SYyt_a2KnNI/AAAAAAAAAyY/cSZ_b3E31Ds/s72-c/YWmsu57.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item></channel></rss>